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  • And more government interference in healthcare:

    Hepatitis C Infections Found in Clinic Patients
    By RONI CARYN RABIN
    At least nine kidney patients were infected with hepatitis C while being treated at a Manhattan dialysis center that was closed by state health officials last year, according to the results of an investigation published Thursday by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The viruses found in four of the infected patients were close genetic matches to viruses in other clinic patients, the investigators said, indicating that the four were almost certainly infected by contaminated equipment at the clinic, the Life Care Dialysis Center at 221 West 61st Street. The center was ordered closed after investigators found unsanitary operating conditions.

    According to the C.D.C. report, which appeared in the centers’ Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, still other patients may also have been infected at the clinic. But the investigation was confined to the 162 who were being treated as of July 2008.

    Earlier statements from state health officials had confirmed one viral infection among clinic patients. Hepatitis C often has no easily observable symptoms but can lead to cirrhosis, liver failure and cancer.

    The patients whose infections were genetically traced to others came in for treatment on the same days of the week, and two had been hooked up to the same dialysis machines, the investigators reported.

    The clinic tested patients occasionally for hepatitis C and knew that the nine became infected after they started coming to the clinic, but it never informed them, the report said. It notified state health officials in three cases, the report said.

    The investigation was started in response to a patient’s call to state health authorities in January 2008 complaining that the clinic was dirty, said Dr. Jenifer Jaeger, a C.D.C. officer assigned to the state and the chief investigator responsible for the report.

    State health officials began an investigation in March, Dr. Jaeger said. It found, among other things, that the caller had tested positive for hepatitis C in January 2008. “She had not been informed,” Dr. Jaeger said.

    Dr. Walter Wasser, the physician who was the operator and medical director of the dialysis center, could not be reached for comment Thursday. He was fined $300,000 in September 2008 and surrendered the clinic’s operating certificate, but the state Office of Professional Medical Conduct has not taken formal action against him.

    The investigators described the center as a filthy place where employees did not wash their hands properly, disinfect equipment or always wear gloves when treating patients. Dried blood was found on treatment chairs, bleach solution was not stored or prepared properly, and there was no separate clean area for storage or preparation of medications.

    The center operated at full capacity and turnover time between patients was short, investigators said.

    In one case described in the report, a single bleach-soaked gauze pad was used to clean an entire patient dialysis station, including the machine’s surfaces and equipment like the blood-pressure cuff and shared computer monitor and keyboard. Many staff members were unaware of the center’s written policies about cleaning and disinfection.

    Medical guidelines require strict testing and monitoring of dialysis patients for hepatitis C infection, both at the start of treatment and every six months afterward. The clinic tested patients erratically, sometimes once a month and sometimes every other year, according to the report.
    Imagine healthcare regulation if the republicans were in power now!
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • It sounds like there was poor oversight by the state agencies. There is nothing wrong with the government being a regulator, but when the regulator also becomes the provider, standards tend to suffer. There is a conflict of interest.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • Well, a problem with Medicare and Medicaid is that regulation of health standards and payment is done by one organization. However, it doesn't cause a huge conflict of interest. The problem is that it is underfunded to do both jobs effectively. But we certainly can't follow the idea that providers and payers can regulate themselves as has happened in the financial market.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • Originally posted by Arrian View Post
          TMM,

          I've reached the point where I'd rather trust a nationalized system than the one we have. And I'm one of the lucky ones who gets good care now.

          -Arrian
          Me too.

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          • Good opinion piece on healthcare in the WSJ. The gist...

            But the CBO is very clear that saving money on health care involves doing less of the very things Americans like the most.

            "Studies attribute the bulk of the cost of growth to the development of new treatments and other medical technologies," the CBO notes in a report issued last December, later adding, "Given the central role of medical technology in cost growth, reducing or slowing spending over the long term would probably require decreasing the pace of adopting new treatments and procedures or limiting the breadth of their application."

            In other words, reducing costs means rationing the care of those who currently have private insurance and Medicare.




            America would be a better place if politicians would listen to the CBO.

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            • Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
              Good opinion piece on healthcare in the WSJ. The gist...

              But the CBO is very clear that saving money on health care involves doing less of the very things Americans like the most.

              "Studies attribute the bulk of the cost of growth to the development of new treatments and other medical technologies," the CBO notes in a report issued last December, later adding, "Given the central role of medical technology in cost growth, reducing or slowing spending over the long term would probably require decreasing the pace of adopting new treatments and procedures or limiting the breadth of their application."

              In other words, reducing costs means rationing the care of those who currently have private insurance and Medicare.




              America would be a better place if politicians would listen to the CBO.
              How would rationing work? The problem is that too many people choose treatments that aren't worth the price, not that some people are choosing too many of those treatments.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • How would rationing work?


                Hell if I know. I've already said that I'm skeptical that Americans will be willing to accept the reduction in services that are needed to control healthcare costs.

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                • The logic of Obama's address to Congress went like this:

                  "Our economy did not fall into decline overnight," he averred. Indeed, it all began before the housing crisis. What did we do wrong? We are paying for past sins in three principal areas: energy, health care and education -- importing too much oil and not finding new sources of energy (as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf?), not reforming health care, and tolerating too many bad schools.

                  The "day of reckoning" has arrived. And because "it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we'll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament," Obama has come to redeem us with his far-seeing program of universal, heavily nationalized health care; a cap-and-trade tax on energy; and a major federalization of education with universal access to college as the goal.
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                  Amazing. As an explanation of our current economic difficulties, this is total fantasy. As a cure for rapidly growing joblessness, a massive destruction of wealth, a deepening worldwide recession, this is perhaps the greatest non sequitur ever foisted upon the American people.






                  The Dem line that massive spending on health care, education and alternative energy is necessary to repair the economy is indeed retarded.

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                  • You forgot the massive bailing out of the banks.

                    Health care and education we should be following the Dems strategy anyways, but that is prevention and long term thinking and won't fix the mess we have gotten ourselves into.

                    JM
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                    • You forgot the massive bailing out of the banks.


                      Obama's ignoring the financial sector to focus on his agenda that has nothing to do with fixing the economy. Geithner's plans, such that they are, have been a complete fiasco. Pundits on both the right and the left are in agreement on that.

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                      • So Geithner's doing ok?
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • Geithner's plans, such that they are, have been a complete fiasco. Pundits on both the right and the left are in agreement on that.

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                          • So he's doing a good job?
                            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                            "Capitalism ho!"

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                            • IIRC, the founding fathers were equally wary of monied interests. I think today's corporate America would scare the **** out of them.

                              Y'know. Those people were the forward thinking radicals of their time, who understood more than anyone else how changes in technology and social order necessitated a new approach to government. Has anyone noticed how much the world has changed since then?

                              The fact that you lot spend all your time looking back at them for advice instead of solving your own problems would be either deeply funny or deeply distressing to them.

                              Most of what they said has limited relevance today, unless you are really trying to live like it was 250 years ago.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • So Drake, what would you do about healthcare?

                                The way I see it, we cannot sustain the current spending (let alone the projected increases). Meanwhile, our current system leaves a large chunk of the population out in the cold. The tradeoff, allegedly, is advanced tech & treatment for those of us who can get care. I'm not sure I buy the idea that a national system that controls costs would do all that much to the rate of innovation, but for the moment let's assume it will. What to do? Doing nothing does not seem viable to me.

                                -Arrian
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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