I really, really hate non-smokers

[notyoueither]

Can we get back to talking about NYE's situation, please? I want to hear moar about how he rigged the rubber hose

A guy I work with at Tim Horton's corporate HQ has experience with building mechanical, and he's a bit of a nerd. He goes on and on about any topic he knows the least bit about. Turns out he's an Oilers fan so I invited him over for a game on Centre Ice on my HD TV in full 1080p. The Oilers did really well that game, winning 3-2 in OT and going 2 for 4 on the PP. Roloson was a beast, with a 1.94 GAA and a .953 SV%.

Anyways, the game got Mr Mechanical in a good mood, and he agreed that the stench of fake pine was a little overpowering. He told me it would be straight-forward to find the main pipe for this section of the building a little before my unit and promised to help find it and hook me up. It cost a two-four, but it was well worth it.

The patch job he did on the dry wall in that corner of the unit just needs to be primed and touched up.

[Felch]

I don't want to ban smoking or whatever, but some people just have no courtesy. The *******s who smoke in the middle of a busy streetcar stop, for instance.

An outdoor stop? Or is it enclosed?

Seriously, the way smokers are treated is terrible. You can't smoke in your home, on the balcony, in a bar, at a bus stop, anywhere.

Are they supposed to go out into international waters or something?

[Asher]

A guy I work with at Tim Horton's corporate HQ has experience with building mechanical, and he's a bit of a nerd. He goes on and on about any topic he knows the least bit about. Turns out he's an Oilers fan so I invited him over for a game on Centre Ice on my HD TV in full 1080p. The Oilers did really well that game, winning 3-2 in OT and going 2 for 4 on the PP. Roloson was a beast, with a 1.94 GAA and a .953 SV%.

Anyways, the game got Mr Mechanical in a good mood, and he agreed that the stench of fake pine was a little overpowering. He told me it would be straight-forward to find the main pipe for this section of the building a little before my unit and promised to help find it and hook me up. It cost a two-four, but it was well worth it.

The patch job he did on the dry wall in that corner of the unit just needs to be primed and touched up.

Centre Ice HD is either 720p or 1080i, not 1080p. And Roloson has never had a sv% above 80% in a game. ever. Facts.

[DaShi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/health/research/03smoke.html?_r=1&sq=third%20hand%20smoke&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print

January 3, 2009
A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’
By RONI CARYN RABIN
Parents who smoke often open a window or turn on a fan to clear the air for their children, but experts now have identified a related threat to children’s health that isn’t as easy to get rid of: third-hand smoke.

That’s the term being used to describe the invisible yet toxic brew of gases and particles clinging to smokers’ hair and clothing, not to mention cushions and carpeting, that lingers long after second-hand smoke has cleared from a room. The residue includes heavy metals, carcinogens and even radioactive materials that young children can get on their hands and ingest, especially if they’re crawling or playing on the floor.

Doctors from MassGeneral Hospital for Children in Boston coined the term “third-hand smoke” to describe these chemicals in a new study that focused on the risks they pose to infants and children. The study was published in this month’s issue of the journal Pediatrics.

“Everyone knows that second-hand smoke is bad, but they don’t know about this,” said Dr. Jonathan P. Winickoff, the lead author of the study and an assistant professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School.

“When their kids are out of the house, they might smoke. Or they smoke in the car. Or they strap the kid in the car seat in the back and crack the window and smoke, and they think it’s okay because the second-hand smoke isn’t getting to their kids,” Dr. Winickoff continued. “We needed a term to describe these tobacco toxins that aren’t visible.”

Third-hand smoke is what one smells when a smoker gets in an elevator after going outside for a cigarette, he said, or in a hotel room where people were smoking. “Your nose isn’t lying,” he said. “The stuff is so toxic that your brain is telling you: ’Get away.’”

The study reported on attitudes toward smoking in 1,500 households across the United States. It found that the vast majority of both smokers and nonsmokers were aware that second-hand smoke is harmful to children. Some 95 percent of nonsmokers and 84 percent of smokers agreed with the statement that “inhaling smoke from a parent’s cigarette can harm the health of infants and children.”

But far fewer of those surveyed were aware of the risks of third-hand smoke. Since the term is so new, the researchers asked people if they agreed with the statement that “breathing air in a room today where people smoked yesterday can harm the health of infants and children.” Only 65 percent of nonsmokers and 43 percent of smokers agreed with that statement, which researchers interpreted as acknowledgement of the risks of third-hand smoke.

The belief that second-hand smoke harms children’s health was not independently associated with strict smoking bans in homes and cars, the researchers found. On the other hand, the belief that third-hand smoke was harmful greatly increased the likelihood the respondent also would enforce a strict smoking ban at home, Dr. Winickoff said.

“That tells us we’re onto an important new health message here,” he said. “What we heard in focus group after focus group was, ‘I turn on the fan and the smoke disappears.’ It made us realize how many people think about second-hand smoke — they’re telling us they know it’s bad but they’ve figured out a way to do it.”

The data was collected in a national random-digit-dial telephone survey done between September and November 2005. The sample was weighted by race and gender, based on census information.

Dr. Philip Landrigan, a pediatrician who heads the Children’s Environmental Health Center at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said the phrase third-hand smoke is a brand-new term that has implications for behavior.

“The central message here is that simply closing the kitchen door to take a smoke is not protecting the kids from the effects of that smoke,” he said. “There are carcinogens in this third-hand smoke, and they are a cancer risk for anybody of any age who comes into contact with them.”

Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.

[Asher]

An outdoor stop? Or is it enclosed?

Seriously, the way smokers are treated is terrible. You can't smoke in your home, on the balcony, in a bar, at a bus stop, anywhere.

Are they supposed to go out into international waters or something?

They're supposed to stop.

It's a shelter -- it's outdoor but with glass behind and on top.

FWIW, these smokers are breaking a city by-law by smoking at the stops. They're legally not allowed to smoke there because it's a "workplace", and smoking in this province is not permitted in a workplace (bars, clubs, businesses, streetcar stops...)

[SlowwHand]

An outdoor stop? Or is it enclosed?

Are they supposed to go out into international waters or something?

That's all fine and good if they're not in the Gulf. Trying to smoke against a tidal wave of illegals? Or Florida, and the Cubans.

[DaShi]

Btw, my grandmother has lung cancer from second-hand smoke.

[notyoueither]

Centre Ice HD is either 720p or 1080i, not 1080p. And Roloson has never had a sv% above 80% in a game. ever. Facts.

Lies they tell you on Calgary Puck.

[DaShi]

Sloww, everytime you see your children and grandchildren cough, think about your cigarettes.

[SlowwHand]

My grandson doesn't smoke; AND, I don't smoke around him.

[notyoueither]

Sloww, everytime you see your children and grandchildren cough, think about your cigarettes.

He should also spare a thought for smog from automobiles and industry, hormones in the food at the grocery store, and the possibility of his government seducing the child with benefits to put on a uniform only to be thrown into some foreign hellhole where a quick death is a mercy.

Anti-smokers are the worst sort of pond-scum with their moralizing about a legally grown, sold, and used product.

If it's so bad, ban it. Until you have the balls to do that, pay more attention to your driving habits as you're more likely to kill someone while tuning your iPod to some emo tune and not paying attention to where you're driving than by smoking.



/Rant

[Asher]

I'm fine with banning smoking, but you guys are so addicted you'll just go to the black market anyway. Then we lose out on the tax revenues which we use to pay for your cancer care.

[DaShi]

My grandson doesn't smoke; AND, I don't smoke around him.

Still better keep him out of your house, if you've smoked in there.

[DaShi]

He should also spare a thought for smog from automobiles and industry, hormones in the food at the grocery store, and the possibility of his government seducing the child with benefits to put on a uniform only to be thrown into some foreign hellhole where a quick death is a mercy.

Anti-smokers are the worst sort of pond-scum with their moralizing about a legally grown, sold, and used product.

If it's so bad, ban it. Until you have the balls to do that, pay more attention to your driving habits as you're more likely to kill someone while tuning your iPod to some emo tune and not paying attention to where you're driving than by smoking.



/Rant

And the award for most ignorant poster goes to NYE. Sorry, Sloww.

[Asher]

And he can quit whenever he wants to.