Mother Russia - A terrorist ??

[Saras]

Originally posted by onodera
Also, that's the first time I've heard of that, so I'll need some time to prepare a reply.
However, I have a link for you to read in the meantime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

I was planning to do a [serb]but you hang your negroes in america[/serb], but no need, there are real Russian volunteers around to do it for me

[Pekka]

che, no no it was a question to onodera's logic. It is also a crime in here to do criminal things even if ordered to. Appealing to chain of command does not help you at all. If you do a war crime, even on orders of your superior, you're just as guilty as your superior is.

[Dr Strangelove]

Before Jamil Basayev became involved with Chechnya he was a military commander for the "Confederation of the Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus", who sent troops into Abkhazia in 1992 - 1993. He's believed to be primarily responsible for 2 massacres during this period. While Georgia was reclaiming Abkhazia the regional commander proclaimed that if the Abkhazians didn't lay down their arms he would eradicate the future generations of Abkhaiza. Months later, in answer to this, Basayev ordered the mass execution of Georgian, Russian and Armenian children in two towns 'liberated' by his forces. I don't have figures for the numbers killled in those two incidents, but civilian deaths in the war exceeded 10,000. The two massacres certainly accounted for the lion's share. So saying that at least Basayev was 'honest' isn't saying much.

[Darius871]

Honesty

[GePap]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles


Actually, under the original definition of terrorism, they are the terrorists. Terrorism, originally, was something a state does to its own citizens.

And back in the day when Terroriste meant someone who supporter the Great Terror, raping and pillaging was standard military procedure.

[onodera]

Originally posted by Saras


I was planning to do a [serb]but you hang your negroes in america[/serb], but no need, there are real Russian volunteers around to do it for me

Hello Saras. How's your country's economy?

[Darius871]

You aren't talking about his Georgian flag are you? That's just a show of solidarity amongst Russia's habitual rape-ees. Lithuania's economy is doing fairly well compared to the rest of Eastern Europe.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Blaupanzer
Guardian, your ideas work well in the abstract. However, if your officer just shot the last man who said "no," and your unit is not ready to revolt, THEN "I was only following orders," seems like a perfectly reasonable defense.

Actually, it's still your own choice to follow those orders.
But of course, the circumstances under which you made your choice would need to be taken into account. I would still judge you, but not nearly as harshly.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Before Jamil Basayev became involved with Chechnya he was a military commander for the "Confederation of the Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus", who sent troops into Abkhazia in 1992 - 1993. He's believed to be primarily responsible for 2 massacres during this period. While Georgia was reclaiming Abkhazia the regional commander proclaimed that if the Abkhazians didn't lay down their arms he would eradicate the future generations of Abkhaiza. Months later, in answer to this, Basayev ordered the mass execution of Georgian, Russian and Armenian children in two towns 'liberated' by his forces. I don't have figures for the numbers killled in those two incidents, but civilian deaths in the war exceeded 10,000. The two massacres certainly accounted for the lion's share. So saying that at least Basayev was 'honest' isn't saying much.

No, it's not saying much. And Basayev has always been a murdering scumbag and a stupid dumbass as far as I'm concerned. I'm glad the Russians finally got to him because I believe the world is a better without him. But the Russians claim to be the good guys, and in case it hasn't dawned on them, that means they can't be running around doing more or less the same kind of things that bad guys do. Bad guys are bad because of what they do, not because of who they are.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by GePap
No, there guys aren't terrorist. War criminals, yes, but not terrorists.

That is just a question of definition.
In my mind, anyone who would shoot a 1-year old in the head is more terrorist than soldier.

[BeBMan]

While the point can be made that they are spreading terror, thus are indeed terrorists, it smells IMO too much like using "terrorist" as a substitute for "random evil guys". OTOH "war ciminals" is certainly not an euphemism and it fits perfectly IMO.

[Guardian]

Well, okay. Fine. Call them "random evil guys", call them "war ciminals", whatever. Just don't call them soldiers.

A soldier is someone who fights to defend his people and shooting 1-year olds in the head has nothing to do with that.

[Saras]

Originally posted by onodera

Hello Saras. How's your country's economy?

Better than yours, thank you

[onodera]

Originally posted by Saras


Better than yours, thank you

Really? I've heard that the growth of your economy was largely dependent on there financial sector, and that the Baltic states have been hit pretty hard, harder than us.

[Blaupanzer]

onodera, where did you hear the Baltics were hit harder than Russia? Consider the source!