Canada's coup d'etat: Opposition parties join to overthrow gov't (Part 2)

[Fake Boris]

Legislating against women's recourses to get equal pay (which have been recognized by the courts)...

Forbidding strikes...

Why the **** do you think he wants to forbid strikes? His obvious agenda is to use the "economic crisis" as a pretext to sack civil servants, cut expenses, and diminish taxes as part of a "stimulus package".

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Legislating against women's recourses to get equal pay (which have been recognized by the courts)...

Pay should be based on qualifications alone, not on gender. Affirmative action in any form is still racism.

Forbidding strikes...

Why the **** do you think he wants to forbid strikes? His obvious agenda is to use the "economic crisis" as a pretext to sack civil servants, cut expenses, and diminish taxes as part of a "stimulus package".

So is Bob Rae an ultra-conservative?

Cutting expenses and lowering taxes is not "ultra-conservative", it is "conservative".

It's now patently clear that you believe all right-wing ideologies as "ultra-conservative". Thanks.

I also liked how limiting public servants in a time of economic crisis and large deficits is an ultra-conservative ideal, when Bob Rae -- a Liberal leadership candidate and the main backer of this coalition -- is mostly famous for how he ****ed over Civil Servants in a rather mild economic downturn.

[Fake Boris]

Where's this large deficit we're talking about?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Where's this large deficit we're talking about?

You'll see it in 2009. I'm not going to bother explaining economics to you, or the latency effect Canada will feel from the US' imploding economy.

Also, please stop being a coward and answer my question on Bob Rae fitting your definition of ultra-conservative.

[Fake Boris]

I don't know enough about Bob Rae to pronounce myself.

From what I know, I'd probably call him center-right. Probably not as conservative as Harper, for sure.

And I've answered your question about being an ultra-conservative.

Thatcher's reforms + neoconservatism fit the bill.

Give your definition if you think it's better. I predict a C-level meaningless rant.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I don't know enough about Bob Rae to pronounce myself.

From what I know, I'd probably call him center-right.

Seriously man, you need to calibrate your political spectrum.

Did you know Bob Rae was the leader of the Ontario NDP? According to you, NDP leaders are centre-right...so it's no wonder you view the conservatives as ultra-right wing.

I also see you support this coalition. You don't know a damn thing about Canadian political history! Look at how Bob Rae governed Ontario in an economic downturn, then look at what their plan is for us federally now.

Wow.

PS: An ultra-conservative is an extreme conservative. Fascists would be one example.

[Fake Boris]

I just took a look at what he did, he's obviously not center right.

If you want to talk about integrity, then you had to tell me the real facts.

Rae's actions towards civil servants were not as bad as Harper's.

And the 1992 recession was quite major, too.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I just took a look at what he did, he's obviously not center right.

If you want to talk about integrity, then you had to tell me the real facts.

Rae's actions towards civil servants were not as bad as Harper's.

I suggest you dig farther into Rae Days...and then contrast Rae's election promises to the civil servants and then when he did.

Once you learn basic, recent, relevant facts about Canadian history I'll consider talking with you again. As it stands right now, it is abundantly clear that you are ignorant of everything outside of Quebec's borders.

[Fake Boris]

The initiative was mainly based around a forced twelve days of unpaid leave for all civil service workers, including (but not limited to) teachers, nurses, and accountants. The unpaid days off quickly became known as Rae Days and are probably the best known aspect of the policy. The measure did exclude workers who earned less than $30,000 annually.

The Social Contract also re-opened collective bargaining agreements of all public unions, and froze the wages of all civil workers.

Clearly Rae=Thatcher

[Fake Boris]

To be fair, this measure alone could be called center-right, but Rae also introduced a wealth of other measures that clearly offset this.

Natives right, rent control, anti-scab legislation.

You're probably the most intellectually dishonest poster on this forum.

[Fake Boris]

This reminds me of that other thread where you claimed that Dion spent the entire English debate fearmongering about the state of our banks.

I watched the debate on Youtube - and it turned out Dion hadn't even pronounced the word "bank".

Should have taught me.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
To be fair, this measure alone could be called center-right, but Rae also introduced a wealth of other measures that clearly offset this.

Natives right, rent control, anti-scab legislation.

You're probably the most intellectually dishonest poster on this forum.

I don't see how that's possible, considering you're here throwing bull**** claims that you refuse to substantiate and I'm providing you guidance to correct your ignorance and/or stupidity. And instead all you do is try to defend your claim that Rae was centre-right.

This reminds me of that other debate where you claimed that Dion spent the entire English debate fearmongering about the state of our banks.

I watched the debate on Youtube - and it turned out Dion hadn't even pronounced the word "bank".

Should have taught me.

They actively referred to the "crisis" in the US which was collapsing banks in that context and time. He then pitched for reforms and government action to ensure it wouldn't hit Canada. I'm not going to be able to speak to your abilities to connect the dots, but most of us figured it out.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Asher
I don't see how that's possible, considering you're here throwing bull**** claims that you refuse to substantiate and I'm providing you guidance to correct your ignorance and/or stupidity. And instead all you do is try to defend your claim that Rae was centre-right.

For the last time:
neocon + Thatcher + Hayek + social conservatism (which granted is more of an electoral tactic than a principled stance) = ultraconservative

And instead all you do is try to defend your claim that Rae was centre-right.

Here's what I just said:

I just took a look at what he did, he's obviously not center right.

They actively referred to the "crisis" in the US which was collapsing banks in that context and time. He then pitched for reforms and government action to ensure it wouldn't hit Canada. I'm not going to be able to speak to your abilities to connect the dots, but most of us figured it out.

Yes, like helping the manufacturing sector in Ontario - which is already in a recession, since early 2008. He never talked about bailout of banks - because they don't need it.

In the meanwhile, Harper introduced tax breaks on corporate profits - in order to help unprofitable businesses, that is.

Your sources are bull****. Cite proof or shut up.

All of the mainstream news reported the document was unsigned. The fact that Day campaigned on decentralization has no bearing on this discussion at all. Are you seriously this stupid, Ben FakeBoris?

This is not even to discuss the fact that what a previous leader's advisors for a different party may or may not have drawn up has no bearing on Harper's government today.

Stockwell Day, senior cabinet minister, has no bearing on Harper's government.
No irony about a minister clamoring high treason about an alliance with the Bloc, while he proposed one himself.
No irony about him campaigning on an Alberta-Quebec alliance where both could work together to reform federalism and push further their own policies - more social democracy in Quebec, more laissez-faire in Alberta.

And above all, you're nitpicking about Stockwell Day, even though we have FOOTAGE OF STEPHEN HARPER PROPOSING A COALITION WITH THE BLOC.

From Le Devoir:

Gilles Duceppe s'est levé, a rappelé que Stephen Harper avait signé une lettre avec lui et le chef du NPD en 2004 destinée à remplacer la minorité libérale. Puis, il a lâché sa bombe. «Cette volonté des vieux réformistes de s'associer aux "séparatistes", comme ils disent, ne date pas d'hier. En effet, le jour même de l'élection de novembre 2000, au nom du chef de l'Alliance canadienne, une proposition détaillée visant à former une coalition était acheminée au Bloc québécois», a-t-il déclaré. Tous les députés des banquettes de l'opposition se sont levés pour l'applaudir.

L'entente en question, intitulée Consensus Leadership for a New Century (Un gouvernement de consensus pour un siècle nouveau), devait être signée le 28 novembre 2000, le lendemain du scrutin. Elle est devenue caduque parce que Jean Chrétien a remporté une troisième majorité et non une minorité. Cette entente stipulait que les chefs de l'Alliance canadienne (Stockwell Day), du Parti progressiste-conservateur (Joe Clark) et du Bloc québécois (Gilles Duceppe) formeraient un gouvernement de consensus.

Les partis s'engageaient à «respecter les compétences légitimes des provinces canadiennes, y compris le Québec». «Nous sommes d'accord pour appuyer Stockwell Day en tant que premier ministre du Canada.» Rappelons que M. Day était la risée de l'époque, lui qui avait mené une campagne électorale désastreuse et s'était présenté vêtu d'une combinaison de plongée juché sur une motomarine à sa première conférence de presse.

Ce document avait été envoyé au Bloc québécois par l'entremise de l'avocat de M. Day, Gerry Chipeur. Celui-ci n'en a pas nié la validité hier, mais il prétend que son client n'était pas au courant de ses démarches. MM. Harper et Day ont nié ces faits en Chambre. «Je n'ai jamais vu ce document, je n'ai jamais entendu parler de ce document et je n'ai jamais autorisé ce document, a lancé M. Day. Il s'agit d'une fabrication de toutes pièces.»

I'm done with your tremendous imbecility. Welcome to my ignore list. First time in 7 years of being a Poly regular.

[Fake Boris]

Anyone still interested in a decent discussion?

NYE, Wezil - in the case of a campaign, would the Libs be able to turn against Harper his own flirt with the Bloc?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


For the last time:
neocon + Thatcher + Hayek + social conservatism (which granted is more of an electoral tactic than a principled stance) = ultraconservative

That is a non-standard definition, but this doesn't actually address my comment. Read what you quoted again, I was not asking for your definition there. I understand your definition, and it's wrong, but that was not my point.

Here's what I just said:

Yes, and then you went back and explained how he kind of is. You don't know the subject matter and your opinion waffles as you do the basic research. It's cute. Come back when you know the meat of it.

Yes, like helping the manufacturing sector in Ontario - which is already in a recession, since early 2008. He never talked about bailout of banks - because they don't need it.

You know as well a I do the context of the meeting and the talks were the failures of the big US banks. We are now focusing on the manufacturing sector and the auto industry, but not during the debate. Dishonest, Boris...Dishonest.

In the meanwhile, Harper introduced tax breaks on corporate profits - in order to help unprofitable businesses, that is.

Again you don't know anything.

Why should unsuccessful businesses be rewarded by the government? This Quebec philosophy does not fly with most people.

Stockwell Day, senior cabinet minister, has no bearing on Harper's government.

What an advisor to Stockwell Day (minister of public safety) may or may not have proposed in a prior government does have no bearing on Harper's government. That is correct.

No irony about a minister clamoring high treason about an alliance with the Bloc, while he proposed one himself.

You're contradicting yourself. I thought it was his advisor?

Again, I've asked you to cite this and you have not been able to. All we have is the claims of a party whose avowed goal is to break up the country, so excuse me while I gag and move on to matters of substance.

And above all, you're nitpicking about Stockwell Day

You're the one that brought up the Day-2000 stuff, not me.

And above all, you're nitpicking about Stockwell Day, even though we have FOOTAGE OF STEPHEN HARPER PROPOSING A COALITION WITH THE BLOC.

This is true, with the notable exception that Harper refused any cabinet ministers from being outside of his party. And since we're being honest (or at least I am), he does not propose a COALITION with the Bloc -- and in the interview he is even very specific on this. He says specifically in the interview he'd never enter a coalition with the Bloc. From the interview, and I quote:

"I've said we wouldn't, we're not looking to form a coalition

From Le Devoir:

I'm done with your tremendous imbecility. Welcome to my ignore list. First time in 7 years of being a Poly regular.

This is an English speaking site.

You're such a ****ing weasel. You ignore my calls to back up your statements, you demonstrate profound ignorance of Canadian political history (even major stuff that happened recently), and now in a move that does your French Heritage proud, you raise the white flag and retreat.

Good riddance.