McCain concedes race to Obama and congratulates him!

[KrazyHorse]

I don't hate Palin. The fault lies in the people who chose her. But right now there's a danger that she might try to present herself as a national candidate again. It's our responsibility to demonstrate (while the evidence is still warm) how horribly unsuited she is for that role and to incentivize the GOP to come up with a real challenger (with real ideas) for '12 and '16.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I don't hate Palin. The fault lies in the people who chose her. But right now there's a danger that she might try to present herself as a national candidate again. It's our responsibility to demonstrate (while the evidence is still warm) how horribly unsuited she is for that role and to incentivize the GOP to come up with a real challenger (with real ideas) for '12 and '16.

That can be done easily enough without resorting to hearsay. Those who wouldn't be convinced by how she's publicly shown herself to be certainly aren't going to be swayed by "some person told me she's an idiot".

[KrazyHorse]

That can be done easily enough without resorting to hearsay. Those who wouldn't be convinced by how she's publicly shown herself to be certainly aren't going to be swayed by "some person told me she's an idiot".

When her own supporters are describing her words in the way they are, it is no longer hearsay.

I still reserve judgment on the truth of these allegations. But I don't think they are particularly far-fetched, and are becoming less so with every "denial" I see.

[Lancer]

She's denied the accusations. The disgruntled anon people who made them haven't chosen to come out into the light. I'd say this is more a reflection on the media than on Sarah Palin, who really seems to be a decent person from a decent place thrust into the insanity of Washington, abused by the leftist media and the deplorable hateful culture of the lower 48.

[Aeson]

I don't think "her own supporters" is an apt description.

But even then it would still be hearsay.

[Lancer]

What bugs me is the media can take anybody that they don't like...you or me or Sarah Palin and pretty much destroy who they will in the eyes of the country.


...and they don't need a bit of substance to do it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lancer
She's denied the accusations.

Sort of. She's said that they took her words "out of context" which means that she doesn't like the light she's being presented in, not that she didn't say what's being claimed.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Aeson
I don't think "her own supporters" is an apt description.

But even then it would still be hearsay.

I'm talking about the "denial" quoted by Drake, as well as her quote.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lancer
What bugs me is the media can take anybody that they don't like...you or me or Sarah Palin and pretty much destroy who they will in the eyes of the country.


...and they don't need a bit of substance to do it.

Sarah did it to herself. Period. She demonstrated a breathtaking level of ignorance in public, and private conversations consistent with that are being claimed.

[Lancer]

Well Obama seems to think there's 58 states in the union, and he's the president elect. Palin might think Africa is a country but who cares? She's out of the picture.

Why not call Obama an idiot? He matters.

[KrazyHorse]

Equating the two occurrences is patently ridiculous, and demonstrates the weakness of your viewpoint.

[Lancer]

Why? Ignorance is ignorance. Also, we aren't believing the words of an anon source here. Its right out of the mouth of Obama and on camera. Wonderful. Scary though. No wonder he thinks he can afford all those promises. He thinks there's 58 states contributing.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


Even if we accept the charitable interpretation of these words offered by his supporters, we are still left with the conclusion that Barack Obama might not know that there are 50 states in the U.S. Could he give the right answer if forced to? Maybe. But this is strongly indicative of the level of knowledge he has.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'm talking about the "denial" quoted by Drake, as well as her quote.

For an example of changing the meaning of a statement by taking it out of context...

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
WHO WAS IN NAFTA

You don't even know

As for Drake's "quote"... which wasn't even a direct quote... it can be read various ways. I'd trust the interpretation of someone who was actually there, and is on the record, far more than an unnamed source or even myself basing my interpretation off of a non-exact text representation of what was said.

It's just not much to go by now is it?

[Aeson]

More importantly, it's not even necessary to accomplish the objective. (That is, to show Palin isn't presidential material.) It's counterproductive even, as you give unnecessary ammo to her supporters. Instead of the focus being on hard evidence (her actions in public) you move the debate to an issue (private actions, he said she said level of evidence) where there is plenty of room for defending Palin simply because there is no real evidence either way.