Could we exist in a Newtonian world?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles We aren't talking about other types of determinism, despite Aeson's attempt to take us off track.

It doesn't matter whether we have free will or not, because we have to act as if it is real. - CS

That is what I responded to. You were making a positive claim about the lack of implications of whether we had free will or not ("or not" meaning anything other than free will).

Keep running from what you said though...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Oh, have you solved the n-body problem?

Do I look like a theoretical physicist to you?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Aeson


It doesn't matter whether we have free will or not, because we have to act as if it is real. - CS

That is what I responded to. You were making a positive claim about the lack of implications of whether we had free will or not ("or not" meaning anything other than free will).

Keep running from what you said though...

As regards the OP, which I stated, multiple times. I make no claims about other types of determinism.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
As regards the OP, which I stated, multiple times. I make no claims about other types of determinism.

You're still running away from what you said. You pretend I'm talking about something else... but I'm not... all you are doing is trying to dodge the criticisms of your statements and not have to deal with their implications on readily observable high level events.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles


Do I look like a theoretical physicist to you?

No. Which is why I wonder about why you make the claim that no free will equates to determinism.

[chequita guevara]

Did you read the OP?

[Dauphin]

Yes.

[Dauphin]

Have you read Impaler's post?

[chequita guevara]

Impaler's post is fine as far as it goes, but doesn't get at what onodera was asking about re particles and waves.

[Dauphin]

You may have noticed I was focusing on the lack of free will equating to pre-determinism explicit in your post.

[chequita guevara]

You have it backwards. Predetermination means lack of free will.

[chequita guevara]

Laplace's Demon

[Lancer]

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[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles


Do I look like a theoretical physicist to you?

If you were you would know that there was no analytic solution, and that numerical solutions are chaotic.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
Laplace's Demon

What exactly is that supposed to prove or demonstrate?

You have it backwards. Predetermination means lack of free will.

"If the answer is negative, we don't have free will, then our lives are already laid out from beginning to end, and we have no control. So the answer is meaningless.."

Aside from the fact the quoted premise is debatable, it seems quite the opposite way round to what you said, even in the context of the larger discussion.