The Last Election Thread

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Seedle
So am I missing something, or is this all blown out of proportion?

It's a US Presidential election... you have to ask?

[MarkG]

it's not about his views. Rev. Wright said "God Damn America". so he is clearly evil.

[Boris Godunov]

Ok, I made a big mistake earlier that I shouldn't have done, and it's led to a big waste of time on my part in arguing with BK.

My mistake was that I didn't fact check his bull****.

BK said, regarding Obama:

It depends on the reason. If a candidate who has already promised to revive the fairness doctrine, might one be alarmed when he boots critics, and critics only to the back of the bus?

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html

Obama Does Not Support Return of Fairness Doctrine

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 6/25/2008 6:25:00 PM

There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the Fairness Doctrine, but one very important one does not: presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama.

The Illinois senator’s top aide said the issue continues to be used as a distraction from more pressing media business.

"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters," press secretary Michael Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday.

God damn it, if I have to fact check every single utterance out of BK, it's really not worth arguing with him. Mea culpa, mea cupla, mea maxima culpa.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Darius871
You were "optimistic" in the sense that oh-so-many voters supposedly followed the Wright controversy during the primaries, and would therefore probably know by now that there is nothing to it, and would therefore probably not switch from an Obama vote, thus rendering this last-minute barrage of the Wright issue ineffective against Obama, as opposed to my "pessimistic" view that incredibly few voters followed details of the primaries that closely, and would therefore not be aware yet that there's nothing to the story and would not have the time or inclination to become fully educated about its nuances inside the mere 48 hours left, and would therefore learn "through means that aren't factually correct," thus rendering the barrage more effective. In the context of how this all started that's not that much of a misrepresentation.

You must have me confused with somebody else, because the only thing I did was challenge your preposterous statement that only a "miniscule" number of voters had even heard of Rev. Wright. The rest you made up in your head.

[Darius871]

The issue is simply how many of those people there probably are, which implies what effect Wright could have on the election. On that issue I said there's very few, and you challenged that quantity as preposterous, which means you obviously think there's many more. That's not making up anything.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Darius871
The issue is simply how many of those people there probably are, which implies what effect Wright could have on the election. On that issue I said there's very few, and you challenged that quantity as preposterous, which means you obviously think there's many more. That's not making up anything.

Ok, so you're incapable of admitting you made a mistake in putting words into my mouth, even though it's obvious you did. Admitting mistakes won't kill you, man. Don't be like Bush.

I didn't say anything one way or the other as to what effect the Wright ads could have--I honestly don't know, but given how well the Ayers smears went down, I'm inclined to say that it won't help McCain much if at all. Time will tell.

All I did say was that your claim that only a "miniscule" number of people knew about it was silly (and as of yet, still unproven). Now maybe your definition of "miniscule" is the problem, but that's really all I was talking about.

[Sirotnikov]

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Seedle
Help me out with the Rev. Wright controversy. Reading on Wikipedia (which is probably my first mistake right there) he plays the racial victim card a little too strongly, and his accusation of the government creating HIV to destroy blacks is absurd (and the wrong minority, was he not around in the '80's? CRACK for blacks, HIV was for gays. ). But over all I agree with his statements (on Wiki) more than I disagree. And his points, that violence begets violence, and that you should trust God more than Government, are hardly offensive, and in the case of the latter, something the right should be rallying behind, not decrying.

Anyway, I see why the guy is not optimal in terms of presidential associations. But I don't see why he is as big a deal as he is. But I also get the feeling that wiki is leaning left here. So am I missing something, or is this all blown out of proportion?

If you look at the "God damn America" comment, he was speaking out about people who say "God bless America," which is really absurd. Why would God bless a nation like the USA. There are a lot of crazy people in the world. Wright does a good job of shining light on them. Of course, most people aren't concerned with the actual truth unfortunately.

[Jon Miller]

The Wright controversy has a bit of backing to it, so it is right that they saved the best until last.

To be honest though, I have already made up my mind. Although I want to like McCain, and did like him for a long long time.

JM

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ok, so you're incapable of admitting you made a mistake in putting words into my mouth, even though it's obvious you did. Admitting mistakes won't kill you, man. Don't be like Bush.

I didn't say anything one way or the other as to what effect the Wright ads could have--I honestly don't know, but given how well the Ayers smears went down, I'm inclined to say that it won't help McCain much if at all. Time will tell.

All I did say was that your claim that only a "miniscule" number of people knew about it was silly (and as of yet, still unproven). Now maybe your definition of "miniscule" is the problem, but that's really all I was talking about.

Fair enough, I admit you didn't add anything about the effect, but considering that the smaller point you challenged was entirely about the effect, continuing that context seemed implied. Whatever.

As for "proof," I can't find any hard polling data showing likely voters' minimal amount of knowledge regarding Wright, but I don't see you showing that it's at all substantial either. The best I can find are the Gallup poll and National Geographic study illustrating general idiocy in the population, which IMO would overlap with plenty of the 65%+ of the population expected to vote. Again, what reason is there to assume the retarded 25% of the population would mostly fall into the 35% that don't vote?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

*cough* Post #302.

Also, I think his Weekend Update was hilarious! "The Double Maverick",

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
The Wright controversy has a bit of backing to it, so it is right that they saved the best until last.

To be honest though, I have already made up my mind. Although I want to like McCain, and did like him for a long long time.

JM

Do you actually think that Obama is going to favor blacks? Is he going to do anything for them? No. He's going to treat them like all the other white presidents have. For that he should lose votes.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


*cough* Post #302.

:O

just found it

[Heraclitus]

McCain is so funny!

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Do you actually think that Obama is going to favor blacks? Is he going to do anything for them? No. He's going to treat them like all the other white presidents have. For that he should lose votes.

But white people will feel they've just recieved a "get out of racism free card", and so blacks in America will have even more problems.