Female societies less prone to violence, study says.

[Lancer]

Whimen stir in every direction, men stir more often than not in one.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Re: Female societies less prone to violence, study says.

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles
Just ignore the data.



Admittedly, these are bonobos, and not humans; additionally, it's on io9 which isn't a science blog, but a science fiction one. (The study itself is, tragically, behind a paywall.)

But it's clear that female-dominate societies are less violent than male ones, because females are more 'sensitive'.

When studying anthropology, we discussed the transition from the prehistorical matriarchal societies to the patriarchal ones. It is within this shift that we see territorialization and female subjugation simultaneously take hold.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

jeez being a woman i have thought them to be more cut throat and back stabbing not giving a flying fuc$ if they hurt ya in the end

[Lancer]

I'd have to agree Mrs T. That is my experience with western women as well.

[Felch]

Re: Re: Female societies less prone to violence, study says.

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
When studying anthropology, we discussed the transition from the prehistorical matriarchal societies to the patriarchal ones. It is within this shift that we see territorialization and female subjugation simultaneously take hold.

I.E. Progress

[Q Classic]

We're not necessarily talking about territorialization or female subjugation here. The issue's more that since females are so 'sensitive', they're less prone to violence--especially physical--or so one noted member's hypothesis was.

The data is suggesting that this may not be the case.

Now, regarding territorialization, it's not necessarily proven, I suppose, that that didn't happen with female-dominated societies; I'm waiting for more of the study to be released, but aren't bonobos usually somewhat territorial, anyway?

And female subjugation--it makes sense that shifting from a matriarchy to patriarchy might lead to that. After all, to cement a group's power, isn't it typical to enforce harsh restrictions on the previous ruling class?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
jeez being a woman i have thought them to be more cut throat and back stabbing not giving a flying fuc$ if they hurt ya in the end

But Mrs. Tuberski!

Women are supposed to be more 'sensitive'! They should care if they hurt you in the end! It's a FACT of your gender because of some **** about the brain structure and what not!

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Y: The Last Man

Written by a MAN. Clearly just patriarchial propaganda, since in the story, some women start dressing as men.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles
Now, regarding territorialization, it's not necessarily proven, I suppose, that that didn't happen with female-dominated societies; I'm waiting for more of the study to be released, but aren't bonobos usually somewhat territorial, anyway?

You're talking modern day bonobos. I'm talking human societies before even the Old Testament was written. When the woman's name was passed. When the Village Mother was the head of the family. When humans were hunter/gatherers rather than militias.

There is a sudden shift in humankind once we move out of the hunter/gatherer phase to a male-dominated society.

And female subjugation--it makes sense that shifting from a matriarchy to patriarchy might lead to that. After all, to cement a group's power, isn't it typical to enforce harsh restrictions on the previous ruling class?

Um, it is typical, but its been all male-dominated societies since then, so its all males subjugating what came before. And it came strongest with the advent of Christianity, although the Greeks were the sowers of the seeds. Basically, Western attitudes towards women.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

Written by a MAN. Clearly just patriarchial propaganda, since in the story, some women start dressing as men.

Yeah. But it's ****ing awesome.

[aneeshm]

Re: Re: Female societies less prone to violence, study says.

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


When studying anthropology, we discussed the transition from the prehistorical matriarchal societies to the patriarchal ones. It is within this shift that we see territorialization and female subjugation simultaneously take hold.

Is there any hard data available that anything like this ever happened, or even that any society, prehistoric or not, was ever matriarchal?

[Jon Miller]

Umm, show many any other non-fringe culture which isn't male dominated.

It isn't only a western culture thing.

It wasn't strongest with the advent of Christianity. In fact, Christian women had a lot of power in the early period. It was when the western world descended towards barbarianism that women lost power.

From my observations of history, generally higher culture/civilization levels are associated with more power to women. Less civilization with a more male-dominated society.

JM

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Re: Re: Re: Female societies less prone to violence, study says.

Originally posted by aneeshm


Is there any hard data available that anything like this ever happened, or even that any society, prehistoric or not, was ever matriarchal?

There's plenty of data. But I'd be hard pressed to find it, considering I haven't studied anthropology for 5+ years, and I have no idea where the text books or notebooks are.

But there was a great deal of data regarding matriarchal societies, especially for them as the foundation of civilization.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Umm, show many any other non-fringe culture which isn't male dominated.

Well, you'd probably consider Earth Mother to be fringe. But it wasn't, back in the day.

It isn't only a western culture thing.

You're correct. The matriarchal societies were mostly found in Africa, where some tribes still practice it.

It wasn't strongest with the advent of Christianity. In fact, Christian women had a lot of power in the early period. It was when the western world descended towards barbarianism that women lost power.

True and not. Christianity derives from Hebrew and Greek traditions, both of which had already subjugated their female populations. But Christianity, as it was taught to Celts, Gauls, and Goths, attributed to their eventual removal of women from the forefront of their societies, which built Europe as a typically bad place for women.

From my observations of history, generally higher culture/civilization levels are associated with more power to women. Less civilization with a more male-dominated society.

Its a roller-coaster, really. Women started civilization. They're only recently taking it back.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Im not sure bout the brain structure but i have known more woman ready to fight then i do men, Especially if there is alochol involved. I have also seen more women murder their mates then the opposite. Men may be more prone to be violent, but women plan more devious violent ones. This is my opinon of course.