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    The Rolling Stone has a pretty damning article about John McCain. Partisan, yes, but probably also largely accurate. Mandatory reading for everyone who is considering voting for McCain.

    The first page is quoted below, follow the link to read the rest: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/cov...al_john_mccain

    At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

    McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.

    There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."

    On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

    "I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."

    "Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.

    "It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.

    "Why? Where are you going to, John?"

    "Oh, I'm going to Rio."

    "What the hell are you going to Rio for?"

    McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

    "I got a better chance of getting laid."

    Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."

    McCAIN FIRST

    This is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.

    In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.

    In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.
    Last edited by Thue; October 6, 2008, 12:35.
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  • #2
    Oh Rolling Stone. When you said Stones I thought it might actually be interesting.
    Unbelievable!

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    • #3
      Who cares? They should stick to music.
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • #4
        Good to see that you lack any serious retort to more revelations on McCain's flawed character Slowwy!

        Keep up the good work.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Darius871
          Oh Rolling Stone. When you said Stones I thought it might actually be interesting.
          Ah, fixed.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrFun
            Good to see that you lack any serious retort to more revelations on McCain's flawed character Slowwy!

            Keep up the good work.
            I'm serious as a ****ing heart attack.
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #7
              Sure you are.
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #8
                Who cares? The reported conversation took place 34 years ago. This is as silly as trying to link then-8-year-old Barack Obama to Ayre's terrorists activities.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zkribbler
                  Who cares? The reported conversation took place 34 years ago. This is as silly as trying to link then-8-year-old Barack Obama to Ayre's terrorists activities.
                  This is page 1 of a 10 page article. They are trying to establish a pattern (and succeeding, IMO).
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                  • #10
                    Nah, these can't be taken too seriously. It's like the boat thing with Kerry. It just doesn't matter that much. They served honorably and that's it. Both went to wars and didn't dodge them. End of story.
                    In da butt.
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                    • #11
                      , yes, but probably also largely accurate.
                      Did you just say this? Seriously?

                      This is page 1 of a 10 page article. They are trying to establish a pattern
                      A pattern of him having a sense of humor and better travel destinations?
                      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zkribbler
                        Who cares? The reported conversation took place 34 years ago. This is as silly as trying to link then-8-year-old Barack Obama to Ayre's terrorists activities.
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                        • #13
                          Why don't you people read the article and then comment?

                          Nah, too much work I guess....
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GePap
                            Why don't you people read the article and then comment?
                            Because it's another nine pages and the first was about as fair and balanced as Fox.

                            Rolling Stone is acting like McCain a sissy for breaking under torture. I'm not a McCain fan, but that's pretty damn low.
                            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                            • #15
                              Why do people think being the son of an Admiral equates to privelage?

                              A four star with 30 years of experiance only pulls 500K a year (and military pay is much more now than back then), compare that with other proffessions of similar education and scope and that is nothing.

                              Also, are we supposed to no like McCain because he liked girls and parties as a young man? Anyone ever here of that Kennedy fellow?
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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