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  • Russia was planning on putting pressure on West Berlin. When we complained, the Soviet plan was to then threaten us with the nukes in Cuba. (Do you want to lose West Berlin or do you want to lose Miami?)

    Plus, Krushev had threatened to bury us.

    We weren't planning any offensive moves against the USSR and the Soviets knew it. (I don't know if they knew Kennedy wanted to Jupiters out of Turkey; they did know the Jupiters were obsolete.)


    That's a bit wrong. The Jupiter missiles (which would be able to hit Moscow within 16 minutes from their placement in Turkey) were placed in 1961. Missiles in Cuba was a direct response to that. Also there was a fear that the US was planning an invasion of Cuba and nukes would have been a deterrent on that.

    Of course if the US had tried to invade and take over Cuba, the Soviets would probably counter with taking Berlin (Turkey would have been harder).

    Also welcome to the politics of the Cold War. Someone a bit more experienced probably could have navigated the straights a bit easier, gotten everything done and not humiliated Khrushchev in the process (by not making the removal of missiles from Turkey public... as a result people thought the US forced the USSR to back down for no gain).

    proposed what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964


    Which is nice, but if he didn't die, there is no way that it would have gotten past Representative Howard Smith (D-VA)

    Though speaking of imperialists, you failed to mention how the Kennedy administration backed a coup in Iraq, which put the Baath party in power and purged the country of leftists.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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    • How'd this turn into a discussion about Kennedy?

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      • Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
        We need Kitty and TCO back on Poly. Their conversation about the crisis over at CG is light years ahead of the attempts here.
        TCO is over there singing praises to Milton Friedman and claiming that there is no credit crunch, and Kitty is explaining to idiots what determines rents. I expect him to be back here as soon as he can.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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        • Originally posted by Arrian
          Zkrib,

          I think there is some evidence of JFK being... rather erratic. Truth is that he got assassinated and thus it's impossible to really evaluate him. Who knows what he would have done with the remainder of his term, and a second if he was re-elected?

          Nixon, while a bastard, does have some tangible achievements in his corner. I'm not saying I'd vote for the guy, but...

          -Arrian
          Nixon

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          • Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
            Jesus, Obama is so lucky the economy went in the crapper. His nutroot moron supporters like Drose are forcing him to get in the mud with McCain and it would've lost him the election if it were anywhere close.
            This post proves it. You are definitely drake.
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            • You offer no proof. You offer nothing. You criminal...

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              • Drake,

                If you think they are ahead of us at CG tell us how there is no credit crunch, and how MBS are a good thing.
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                • Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
                  You offer no proof. You offer nothing. You criminal...
                  Fez, is that you?
                  Stop Quoting Ben

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                  • He's just channeling Fez.
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                    • Who's Fez?

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                      • Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
                          Who's Fez?
                          OK, Giancarlo then if you'd prefer.

                          All know the perils of listening to Fez...
                          Stop Quoting Ben

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                          • Is the race tightening back up?

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                            • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Is the race tightening back up?

                              http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575
                              Yeah it probably will a bit, but I wouldn't necessarily trust Zogby, they went to get rather loopy results...
                              Stop Quoting Ben

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                              • Don't **** with a man's wet dreams, Bosh.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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