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  • Obama up 8 points

    The continuation of the "Obama opens up a 9-point lead" thread...

    Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
    God, if only there could be a public debate on this. Dear god, please let Obama try to counter Ayers, Johnson, Raines, Rezko and Wright with Abramoff, Keating, Kissinger and Liddy.
    My prayers have been answered!

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday will launch a multimedia campaign to draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the “Keating Five” savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain’s public image and set him on his course as a self-styled reformer.

    Pushing back against what it calls McCain's “guilt-by-association” tactics, the Obama campaign is e-mailing millions of supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, which will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The overnight e-mails urge recipients to pass the link on to friends.

    The Obama campaign, including its surrogates appearing on radio and television, will argue that the deregulatory fervor that caused massive, cascading savings-and-loan collapses in the late ‘80s was pursued by McCain throughout his career, and helped cause the current credit crisis.

    Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said: “While John McCain may want to turn the page on his erratic response to the current economic crisis, we think voters will find his involvement in a similar crisis to be particularly interesting. His involvement with Keating is a window into McCain’s economic past, present, and future.”

    Obama’s offensive comes after McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, spent two days telling voters, donors and reporters that Obama showed poor judgment in his relationship with the former radical William Ayers.

    McCain’s campaign has vowed to make a major issue of Obama’s Chicago relationships in coming days, with a senior McCain official telling Politico that they are “the vehicle that allows us to question Obama’s truthfulness about his past and his plans for the future.”

    The McCain campaign also plans to invoke money launderer Tony Rezko. Officials say they will not bring up Obama's former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, because McCain has forbade his campaign from using that as an attack. But the officials said outside groups supporting McCain might highlight Wright.

    Responding to the Keating blast from the past, a Republican official said the Obama team seemed "frantic" at "the mere mention of the word 'Ayers.'"

    “The fact that the Obama team is recycling this old garbage 24 hours after Bill Ayers entered the race is a testament to how worried the Obama camp is of an unfettered airing of his associations," the official said. "Obama is a clever enough politician to know that his unexplored relationships with terrorists and felons are a serious liability in a race this close.”
    Last edited by Naked Gents Rut; October 24, 2008, 12:03.

  • #2
    Wow... Obama bit the troll

    I find it hard that a candidate can say he's for "change" and against the old politics when he starts turning to things like that... and that's the McCain campaign's strategy it seems.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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    • #3
      My favorite part of the Obama plan is that they think people are going to watch a 13-minute documentary on the Keating Five scandal.

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      • #4
        Works both ways... Obama has loose associations with these people while McCain was a member of the Keating 5... which bears a strong resemblence to our current financial crisis.

        As for the troll, the Ayers/Rezko stuff has been out there for months, and they didn't bite. Now the GOP plans to use this as it's main attack ad. Dems can't sit on this anymore without responding.
        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          I find it hard that a candidate can say he's for "change" and against the old politics when he starts turning to things like that... and that's the McCain campaign's strategy it seems.
          They both give the change line and it's bull****. We already knew this. Those who don't know that by now don't possess the intellectual faculties for facts (or fiction) to even make a dent in their D or R aligned hearts.

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          • #6
            Dems can't sit on this anymore without responding.
            They'd be smart not to, as their media allies have been doing a fine job deflecting any scrutiny of Ayers/Rezko/Wright. Firing back at McCain now just serves to increase scrutiny of both sides' questionable associates, which has the potential to hurt Obama worse than McCain even with the media in the tank. There's no need to run that risk when you're up 8.

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            • #7
              Pushing back against what it calls McCain's “guilt-by-association” tactics, the Obama campaign is e-mailing millions of supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, which will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The overnight e-mails urge recipients to pass the link on to friends.


              Why e-mail it to his supporters? They are already going to vote for him.

              It's now a one possession game.........

              ACK!
              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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              • #8
                Does Obama really want to go there?



                Obama donor received a state grant
                His letter on behalf of a table tennis company preceded the funding.
                By Chuck Neubauer and Tom Hamburger, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
                April 27, 2008
                WASHINGTON -- After an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2000, Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama faced serious financial pressure: numerous debts, limited cash and a law practice he had neglected for a year. Help arrived in early 2001 from a significant new legal client -- a longtime political supporter.

                Chicago entrepreneur Robert Blackwell Jr. paid Obama an $8,000-a-month retainer to give legal advice to his growing technology firm, Electronic Knowledge Interchange. It allowed Obama to supplement his $58,000 part-time state Senate salary for over a year with regular payments from Blackwell's firm that eventually totaled $112,000.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


                  They'd be smart not to, as their media allies have been doing a fine job deflecting any scrutiny of Ayers/Rezko/Wright. Firing back at McCain now just serves to increase scrutiny of both sides' questionable associates, which has the potential to hurt Obama worse than McCain even with the media in the tank. There's no need to run that risk when you're up 8.
                  No, they'd be named Sen. John Kerry not push back against this horsesh*t. Kerry played nice when smeared by outright lies and innuendo and look where it got him. This sh*t the McCain campaign is going to be lobbing at Sen. Obama over the next 4 weeks isn't much different, except this time around the senator isn't going to play goody two-shoes. He's going to hit back with demonstrable facts and public record. He already started that process weeks ago with a website devoted to addressing some of the more popular rightwing smears against him, and even put out a 40 page point-by-point debunking of that smear book Obama Nation. McCain is taking the lies and innuendo to public rallies and the airwaves, Obama would be Kerry-esque if he didn't respond in kind with the cold hard facts about himself and McCain. You don't have to be a nasty liar to fight back.
                  The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                  The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                  • #10
                    Jesus, Obama is so lucky the economy went in the crapper. His nutroot moron supporters like Drose are forcing him to get in the mud with McCain and it would've lost him the election if it were anywhere close.

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                    • #11
                      Obama was ahead in polls BEFORE the economy became the issue of the day when it started to tank, bringing about calls for that $700bn sh*t sandwich that started being bandied about. As for being a "nutroot" supporter I donated $100 months ago and haven't done jacksh*t since. Too lazy to do anything else. Good grief you're a moron NGR.
                      The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                      The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                      • #12
                        Is this economic "crisis" really a crisis at all? Are we going to start seeing millions and millions of homeless Americans now?

                        Are things just being blown out of proportion?
                        If not, I wonder how the Obama administration plans to fix it.
                        be free

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                        • #13
                          Obama was ahead in polls BEFORE the economy became the issue of the day when it started to tank, bringing about calls for that $700bn sh*t sandwich that started being bandied about.
                          No, he wasn't. McCain was ahead when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed and had to be bailed out. His polls number have gone steadily down ever since.

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                          • #14
                            I won't contest 538.com, but FM/FM cracked in August, it's been downhill for the economy since then. Obama and McCain were bleeding edge close then.
                            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                            • #15
                              but FM/FM cracked in August
                              No, they didn't. They were put into conservatorship on September 7th, the same day as that 538.com post.

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