What to do about Somalia?

[Victor Galis]

Load an old ship with explosives, sail it into those waters. When they seize it, detonate the ship.

That or load some ship with loot that has tracking devices implanted. Carpet bomb the pirate camp. Deny any reports of civilian casualties.

[Heresson]

we should bring democracy to Somalia. That'll show them.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Lancer
Clinton sent in the marines to restore order and bring relief, or was it the first Bush? Oh well. Anyway it didn't work out so well.

Papa Bush sent them in. Blackhawk Down & our retreat from Somalia happened on Clinton's watch.

[Lancer]

Ahh, Thanks Zkrib. Amazing how good your memory is. I mean you're older than I am and mine is heading south fast.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Heresson
we should bring democracy to Somalia. That'll show them.

Bombing has already been mentioned several times

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Lancer
Ahh, Thanks Zkrib. Amazing how good your memory is. I mean you're older than I am and mine is heading south fast.

Huh?? Who the hell are you?!?!?

[Lancer]

[Zkribbler]

I stole that one from Grandpa Simpson.

[Lancer]

You've really been hitting some zingers out of the park.

[Dr Strangelove]

Re: Q ships

Originally posted by pchang
I believe were the traditional response.

Q ships were originally intended to deal with submarines, but yes, something like that.

[Asher]

If only the US had a navy.

[Lancer]

There is a US destroyer there already.

[Zkribbler]

Bah, destroyers are too big and slow. Pirates can see them and suddenly become innocent fishermen.

We need better surveillance and quick reaction forces: preditors, attack helicopters, hydrofoils, minisubs, stuff like that.

This also needs to be a U.N. effort, in which the U.S. can play a role. But we are not the world's cop. The U.S. doesn't have vital interests in the area, but the world community has an interest in shutting down piracy.

[Lancer]

I'm with that. Though half the world's oil goes by in tankers there so we must have a force capable of dealing with a foriegn power. Freedom of the seas and all that.

[DRoseDARs]

We were joking about nuking them...

Pirates die strangely after taking Iranian ship

Andrew Donaldson Published:Sep 28, 2008

A tense standoff has developed in waters off Somalia over an Iranian merchant ship laden with a mysterious cargo that was hijacked by pirates.

Somali pirates suffered skin burns, lost hair and fell gravely ill “within days” of boarding the MV Iran Deyanat. Some of them died.

Andrew Mwangura, the director of the East African Seafarers’ Assistance Programme, told the Sunday Times: “We don’t know exactly how many, but the information that I am getting is that some of them had died. There is something very wrong about that ship.”

The vessel’s declared cargo consists of “minerals” and “industrial products”. But officials involved in negotiations over the ship are convinced that it was sailing for Eritrea to deliver small arms and chemical weapons to Somalia’s Islamist rebels.

The drama over the Iran Deyanat comes as speculation grew this week about whether the South African Navy would send a vessel to join the growing multinational force in the region.

A naval spokesman, Lieutenant-Commander Greyling van den Berg, told the Sunday Times that the navy had not been ordered by the government to become involved in “the Somali pirate issue”.

About 22000 ships a year pass through the Suez Canal and the Gulf of Aden, where regional instability and “no-questions-asked” ransom payments have led to a dramatic rise in attacks on vessels by heavily armed Somali raiders in speedboats.

The Iran Deyanat was sailing in those waters on August 21, past the Horn of Africa and about 80 nautical miles southeast of Yemen, when it was boarded by about 40 pirates armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenades. They were alleged members of a crime syndicate said to be based at Eyl, a small fishing village in northern Somalia.

The ship is owned and operated by the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, or IRISL, a state-owned company run by the Iranian military.

According to the US Treasury Department, the IRISL regularly falsifies shipping documents to hide the identity of end users, uses generic terms to describe shipments and operates under various covers to circumvent United Nations sanctions.

The ship set sail from Nanjing, China, at the end of July. According to its manifest, it was heading for Rotterdam where it would unload 42500 tons of iron ore and “industrial products” purchased by a German client.

At Eyl, the ship was secured by more pirates — about 50 on board, and another 50 on shore.

But within days those who had boarded the ship developed mysterious health trouble.

This was also confirmed by Hassan Allore Osman, minister of minerals and oil in Puntland, an autonomous region of Somalia.

He headed a delegation sent to Eyl when news of the toxic cargo and illnesses surfaced.

He told one news publication, The Long War Journal, that during the six days he had negotiated with the pirates, a number of them had become sick and died.

“That ship is unusual,” he was quoted as saying. “It is not carrying a normal shipment.”

The pirates did reveal that they had tried to inspect the ship’s cargo containers when some of them fell sick — but the containers were locked.

Osman’s delegation spoke to the ship’s captain and its engineer by cellphone, demanding to know more about the cargo.

Initially it was claimed the cargo contained “crude oil”; later it was said to be “minerals”.

And Mwangura has added: “Our sources say it contains chemicals, dangerous chemicals.”

But IRISL has denied that — and threatened legal action against Mwangura. The company has reportedly paid the pirates 200000 — the first of several “ransom instalments”, but that, too, has been denied.