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  • #16
    Originally posted by Zkribbler

    BTW: The U.S. Navy is charged with combatting piracy. Why aren't we?
    There's a NATO naval mission going on for years at the coast of Somalia to combat terrorism (within OEF), with ships from various countries. Some time ago, in another incident with pirates, one of our frigates was near the scene but couldn't do anything since the UN mandate that is the ground for the mission covers only action against terrorists, but not pirates.



    I heard meanwhile they are going to change that (or already did, didn't check)
    Blah

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Patroklos
      Northern, along the Gulf of Aden. The eastern coast is on the Indian Ocean.

      There are US and coalition patrols along the east coast, I have spent time there myself (The Seychelles rock!), but it is not a natural choke point and is VAST and thus harder to coral and protect many times disinterested merchant traffic.
      Convoys!

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      • #18
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
          Japan should step up to the plate and sic some ninjas on them.
          Nonono, a ninja. Remember the inverse ninja law!
          I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zkribbler


            Convoys!
            just arming the merchant ships is sufficient. One of our tankers was approached but managed to drive them off.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Whoha


              just arming the merchant ships is sufficient. One of our tankers was approached but managed to drive them off.
              Rig the boarding netting!! ??

              Seriously though, it wouldn't take much armaments to prevent a boarding would it ??

              PLus although the Indian ocean is large, the Somalian coast (north or east) isn't that much so couldn't a couple of nations deploy some vessles-- heck wouldn't a half dozen small coast guard style vessles (with the backing of ONE helicopter equipped vessel) Pretty much eliminate this problem. Assume anything going into or out of Somalia is pirate and act accordingly
              You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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              • #22
                Convoys!
                Good luck trying to convince the merchants for hundreds of coutries to submit to Western let alone US authority. Thats half the problem as I said, many merchants aren't interested in cooperating and insist on doing their own thing.

                PLus although the Indian ocean is large, the Somalian coast (north or east) isn't that much so couldn't a couple of nations deploy some vessles-- heck wouldn't a half dozen small coast guard style vessles (with the backing of ONE helicopter equipped vessel) Pretty much eliminate this problem. Assume anything going into or out of Somalia is pirate and act accordingly
                Somalia has 3,025km of coastline, the majority of which is along the more remote Indian Ocean. The pirates have been known to go over 100nm out to get to vessels. On top of that, we are forbiden from entering Somali territorial waters (12nm), and they know this. In order to monitor all of that in real time you would need several dozen full scale warships with extensive air support. It is important to appreciate the shear area we are talking about here.

                As for how they get the ships, they just roll up in speed boats and point an RPG at the bridge/waterline. You stop and let them on, or they kill/sink/cripple you.
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #23
                  Why was the Ukraine shipping tanks to Sudan via Kenya? The Sudan has its own port on the Red Sea.

                  Come to think of it, why was the Ukraine, a NATO ally wannabe, selling tanks to Sudan? If they're not on the list of nations supporting terrorists they ought to be. They've supported more terrorists than North Korea ever did.

                  This stinks. Could it be that someone accidentally - intentionally let a nice chunk of heay military equipemnt fall into the hands of Sudanese renegades just to cause an incident which will require the intervention of "the world's only Superpower"?
                  "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tattila the Hun


                    Nonono, a ninja. Remember the inverse ninja law!
                    Hell, just see the law in action:




                    A ninja would have pulled it off!
                    Unbelievable!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                      Why was the Ukraine shipping tanks to Sudan via Kenya? The Sudan has its own port on the Red Sea.

                      Come to think of it, why was the Ukraine, a NATO ally wannabe, selling tanks to Sudan? If they're not on the list of nations supporting terrorists they ought to be. They've supported more terrorists than North Korea ever did.
                      Ukrainian ship.
                      Russian tanks.
                      Sold to Kenya.

                      & Ukraine isn't a NATO ally yet.

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                      • #26
                        Tanks! You know, for kids!
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #27
                          Earlier reports suggested that the cargo was destined for south Sudan, however Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua confirmed that the tanks were going to Kenya.
                          Ah, evidently I read the "earlier report" before going to work todyay. It stated that the tanks were supposed to be off-loaded in Kenya, but were ultimately destined to go to southern Sudan. I wondered why tanks destined for Sudan were being shipped to Kenya.

                          Even though the tanks are Russian design, I think they were being sold by Ukraine, since the articles keep mentioning the Ukrainian defense minister as spokesman.
                          "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                          • #28
                            I don't know where the tanks come from, but the flag of a ship doesn't mean much. I bet over half of all merchant men are Panamanian flagged just because Panama doesn't have any safty regulations or give a **** about what they do.

                            That is one reason the US doesn't have a significant merchant marine anymore.
                            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Zkribbler
                              & Ukraine isn't a NATO ally yet.
                              Given that public support in the Ukraine for NATO membership is under 30% and that Yushenko's government is deeply unpopular and neither Timoshenko or Yanukovich support joining NATO, Ukraine isn't going to be part of NATO any time soon.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                                Even though the tanks are Russian design, I think they were being sold by Ukraine, since the articles keep mentioning the Ukrainian defense minister as spokesman.
                                The tanks are a SOVIET, not Russian, design, and the Ukraine manufactures its own versions of Soviet designed tanks.
                                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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