PETA just grossed me out!!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

None of your evidence has actually proven your position.


So, treating people as unequal does not result in oppression.

Treating, say, white people as better than black people, and thus, unequal, does not result in oppression. Case in point, South Africa.

Treating black people as better than white people, and thus, unequal, does not result in oppression. Case in point, Zimbabwe.

Treating men as better than women does not lead to oppression. Case in point, most of history.

Helping oppressed people, yes, fights oppression. But that wasn't what you said. You said treating people as equal lead to oppression, and then you agreed that treating people unequally wouldn't.


So it's clear that you place a value judgement that social violence is less harmful than physical violence.

There are lots and lots of gays who would debate that.
There are lots of ex-Mormons who would debate that.
There are lots of people from all walks of life who would debate that.

Social violence is no less harmful than physical violence, and while physical violence heals in a few weeks or months, psychological damage arising from social violence takes a lot longer to heal.

So, as for myself? Go ahead and punch me in the face. I can deal. It's better than getting my mom to disown me and my brother to treat me like an HIV-addled leper. I'd rather be hit by a two-by-four and have my legs broken than have all of my friends shun me.

Physical, 'masculine' violence doesn't bother me nearly as much.


Classy.

You're pitifull. You have no integrity whatsoever.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

But you also just said that you shouldn't treat people equally, but unequally.

How is inequality fair?

Inequality isn't fair! That's why I wish to change the situation.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Now you are clearly just trying to **** this thread up. I think that only shows how insensitive you are towards women.

/me wipes away tear.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You said, "Now, can we agree that "social roles" for the sexes should be abolished and we should treat people like individuals?"

That's not the same thing. Absolutely women should be able to choose careers such as nursing and child rearing. They should also get paid just as much for them.

That's part and parcel of the same thing. Abolishing "social roles" is what allows for true equality and true choice, so that women do not feel cordoned into a certain role just because they are women. If they can do what they want and not have social pressures on them, then they can actually make a TRUE choice/

Now you are clearly just trying to **** this thread up. I think that only shows how insensitive you are towards women.

Kidiverse: messing up thread on a Civilization website = being insensitive to women

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


You keep getting it wrong, Kid.

No. You are. You keep saying men are just as socially responsible as women, even though all the evidence points to the contrary.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That's part and parcel of the same thing. Abolishing "social roles" is what allows for true equality and true choice, so that women do not feel cordoned into a certain role just because they are women. If they can do what they want and not have social pressures on them, then they can actually make a TRUE choice/

You can't just abolish social roles. Social roles are the foundation of society. It would be nice if men would help out a little with the social roles and that women would be fairly treated for performing their duties, but that's not happening.

Seriously, this idea of yours is absolutely the STUPIDEST idea I've ever heard! Your making BK look like ****ing Einstein.

Kidiverse: messing up thread on a Civilization website = being insensitive to women

So you don't act like this elsewhere. Is this just all an act on your part since this is only a gaming site?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
No. You are. You keep saying men are just as socially responsible as women, even though all the evidence points to the contrary.

Really? Please point to a post where I say this.

[Kidlicious]

I'm just waiting for you guys to post something worthwhile. I'm not going to waste my time.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm just waiting for you guys to post something worthwhile. I'm not going to waste my time.

Oh, you needn't worry about that. Your posts in this thread thus far provide ample evidence that your time is worthless anyway.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Kidicious
That's not the same thing. Absolutely women should be able to choose careers such as nursing and child rearing. They should also get paid just as much for them.

Paid just as much as compared to what and whom?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You're pitifull. You have no integrity whatsoever.

Why do you think I lack integrity? I've been rather consistent with the views that I've espoused in this thread.

You're the one who's been all over the map.

Indeed, I haven't really insulted your intelligence all that much, but you've gone from assuming I'm a DL, to calling me retarded, among other things.

Who's the one lacking integrity, might as I ask? Especially when all I'm doing is taking you at your literal word, and explaining why what you're saying is invalid or incorrect?

Or is it because I equate social violence to the level of physical violence? Does that offend your sensibilities to the extent that you feel that you must impugn my character?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Inequality isn't fair! That's why I wish to change the situation.

Then why are you treating people unequally?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You can't just abolish social roles. Social roles are the foundation of society. It would be nice if men would help out a little with the social roles and that women would be fairly treated for performing their duties, but that's not happening.

You can surely abolish social roles slowly and gradually so society doesn't implode. For example, in the 1950s, it'd be the height of lunacy to argue a man should stay home and take care of the kids while the woman goes out and works. But in 2008, its not a big deal at all.

Look, social roles are eroding! Oh noes! Society's foundation is destroyed!!1!

Seriously, this idea of yours is absolutely the STUPIDEST idea I've ever heard! Your making BK look like ****ing Einstein.

You obviously never read your own posts.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No. You are. You keep saying men are just as socially responsible as women, even though all the evidence points to the contrary.

You haven't shown conclusive evidence.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You can surely abolish social roles slowly and gradually so society doesn't implode. For example, in the 1950s, it'd be the height of lunacy to argue a man should stay home and take care of the kids while the woman goes out and works. But in 2008, its not a big deal at all.

Look, social roles are eroding! Oh noes! Society's foundation is destroyed!!1!

I'm all for men taking care of their families. I'm not saying that society will implode if that happens. But men don't do that in any significant numbers. Even when both men and women work the woman does way more of the household duties.

What you are proposing is that women do less. Society is going to breakdown if they do.

Furthermore women are much more nurturing in their relationships with their families. Which is essential to society. For some very strange reason you are opposed to that.