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The race against Keyes (if you could even call it a seriously contested race) almost never touched on foreign policy, plus the story of his work with Ayers hadn't quite "broke" by 2004 like it has since, so that's something of a red herring.
You don't think Keyes did opposition research?
Anyway, you don't need to argue that it's disingenuous gutter politics because I mostly agree.
That paragraph was addressed to Drake.
I just fail to see how harping on the simple facts about Ayers, which make up a huge and unique vulnerability bound to resonate with many voters, relates to Bush/Rove [i]in particular. I could just as easily analogize to the gutter politics of 1800, but that would be equally silly.
As you conceded, simply because it's disingenuous, gutter politics, involving demagoguery over "terrorism."
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
If I'm not mistaken, you were arguing relevance, not resonance (Darius was arguing resonance). Yes, the media treats massacring non-American populations differently, but I don't see how that mitigates Kissinger's deficiencies as a human being, being responsible for far more horrible **** than Ayers (who IIRC might be responsible for a single death). And if you believe that Obama has judgment and character issues for his association with Ayers in a capacity relating to education reform, surely McCain's judgment and character issues due to his [much closer] relationship with Kissinger regarding foreign policy are far, far more troubling.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Wow, Newsweek actually reported on the FEC's investigation into shady Obama contributions.
Given that McCain has had similar FEC issues regarding fraudulent donors, I don't know what your point is. That's what happens when you have a huge campaign involving hundreds of millions of dollars.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Originally posted by Ramo
As you conceded, simply because it's disingenuous, gutter politics, involving demagoguery over "terrorism."
I see X, I just don't see the connection between X and Y. The tactic is as old as politics itself. The fact that Bush/Rove happened to use that universal tool simply has no bearing on whether some subsequent user of the tool is a "maverick" or not.
Again, I could just as easily say McCain's really taking a page out of the Jefferson/Adams "playbook," but that would be plainly ridiculous.
And if you believe that Obama has judgment and character issues for his association with Ayers in a capacity relating to education reform, surely McCain's judgment and character issues due to his [much closer] relationship with Kissinger regarding foreign policy are far, far more troubling.
It's simple...
Kissinger
Ayers
That's how every non-radical leftist in America feels.
Given that McCain has had similar FEC issues regarding fraudulent donors, I don't know what your point is. That's what happens when you have a huge campaign involving hundreds of millions of dollars.
McCain has released the information on his small donors. Obama hasn't, in yet another example of his commitment to change and clean government.
You're conceding McCain's enormous character and judgment deficiencies? Since Kissinger was a far bigger terrorist than Ayers...
Darius, I'm sure there have been campaigns that were as ugly as Rove's (or uglier), but my point was that this charge is at a similar level. The kind of thing that John McCain circa 2000, SC, might've had issues with.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Only right wing tools like yourself would dismiss non-American lives as worthless.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Originally posted by Ramo
Darius, I'm sure there have been campaigns that were as ugly as Rove's (or uglier), but my point was that this charge is at a similar level. The kind of thing that John McCain circa 2000, SC, might've had issues with.
Meh, I just fail to see why Rove's usage of the mere tool was distinct. It's as if you were arguing that the McCain campaign's use of polling data, focus groups, and grassroots get-out-the-vote efforts is "Rovian" merely because Rove also used them.
Frankly "non-sequitur" is the only word that comes to mind. Specifically:
1. X uses Y.
2. Z uses Y.
3. Ergo, X is Z.
You don't see the fundamental fallacy in play there?
The context of my post is the discussion of McCain's "Maverick" credentials. The most plausible aspect (a couple years ago, anyways) of that is that he'd engage in far less degrading political discourse than what we've had during the last eight years. Just pointing out that he's willing to tar his campaign with something that's as nasty as anything Rove has done.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
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