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  • Earlier this year, McCain said that he would've voted against McCain-Kennedy.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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    • ... cause it wouldn't have passed and he'd prefer to vote on something that had a chance of passing, rather than symbolic gestures.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • Originally posted by Velociryx

        Anybody want to help me understand where the "maverick" image is supposed to be coming from?
        Back in the olden day, McCain used to think for himself. Even though he is a Republican, he was pro-Roe-v-Wade, pro-choice, pro-compaign-finance-reform, pro-immigrant-reform, etc. He pounded out many bi-partisan bills.

        However, once his Presidential campaign hit bottom, he refloated it by jettisoning all his ideals and by becoming Republican Orthodox. He now toes the line on every Republican talking point and is about as independant as a barnacle.

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        • ... cause it wouldn't have passed and he'd prefer to vote on something that had a chance of passing, rather than symbolic gestures.


          What the hell does that mean? You'd vote against legislation only because it won't pass?

          I assume that you're planning on voting against McCain since he's going to lose...
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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          • Earlier this year, McCain said that he would've voted against McCain-Kennedy.
            We all know that was just bull**** pandering, especially since McCain went back to saying he would push for comprehensive immigration reform once he became the GOP nominee. I don't really agree with him on the issue, but you have to respect the balls it took to go against his own party and work with Kennedy on an issue that damn near destroyed his chances to become president.

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            • As he said in January:

              John McCain admits he still supports the failed amnesty bill that he created with Ted Kennedy.


              What the hell does that mean? You'd vote against legislation only because it won't pass?


              If legislation is not going to pass, isn't it better to spend your time working on similar legislation that WILL pass?

              After all, unlike me voting, Senators don't have all that much time to work on and pass legislation.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                ... cause it wouldn't have passed and he'd prefer to vote on something that had a chance of passing, rather than symbolic gestures.
                That's not really what he said. His implied rationale for not supporting it was because public opinion on border security had changed. It's quite mavericky of him to blow with the winds of public opinion to the point where he doesn't support his own bill.
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                • Even though he is a Republican, he was pro-Roe-v-Wade, pro-choice, pro-compaign-finance-reform, pro-immigrant-reform, etc.
                  McCain is still pro-campaign finance reform and pro-comprehensive immigration reform. I don't think he was ever pro-choice.

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                  • Originally posted by Zkribbler
                    Back in the olden day, McCain used to think for himself. Even though he is a Republican, he was pro-Roe-v-Wade, pro-choice, pro-compaign-finance-reform, pro-immigrant-reform, etc. He pounded out many bi-partisan bills.

                    However, once his Presidential campaign hit bottom, he refloated it by jettisoning all his ideals and by becoming Republican Orthodox. He now toes the line on every Republican talking point and is about as independant as a barnacle.


                    Wow, you really had a weird view of McCain is you thought he was EVER pro-choice.

                    And as NGR points out, he's said as Prez he'd push for comprehensive immigration reform (as the right says, amnesty), and I haven't heard him say he's going to push for repealing McCain-Feingold.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • This is also in January:



                      He says he'll secure the borders first, but makes it clear he wants a path to citizenship (saying the heckler can call up the woman who's son is fighting in Iraq and say she's deported).

                      In February:

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                      Getting booed at CPAC while defending his position on illegal immigrants, but he has to secure the borders first or else there will be no support for any bill.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • ... cause it wouldn't have passed and he'd prefer to vote on something that had a chance of passing, rather than symbolic gestures.


                        And then he abandoned it, because he wanted the nomination. I don't know what that signifies, but it ain't balls.

                        I don't think that he'd be bad on immigration (there are a host of other issues where he'd be bad on). But I wouldn't call this business of going from position to position on such an important issue based on political expedience particularly Mavericky behavior.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                        • If legislation is not going to pass, isn't it better to spend your time working on similar legislation that WILL pass?

                          After all, unlike me voting, Senators don't have all that much time to work on and pass legislation.


                          You're still completely incoherent. Why would possibly vote against legislation (that you presumably like) because it wouldn't pass?

                          BASH: But on one huge McCain weak spot with conservatives, illegal immigration, a concession. When asked if he would vote for his own legislation allowing citizenship --

                          McCAIN: No, I would not, because we know what the situation is today. The people want the borders secured first.

                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                          • Where he is obviously saying that since his bill wasn't going to pass, he wouldn't have wasted time pushing it. That is constant with all of his stances since, where he still gets booed at Republican events because he talks about a legal path to citizenship, but now says gotta get the borders secured first or else people & their representatives won't stand for it.

                            After all with Tim Russett in late January, he said he would SIGN the bill if President. But says that would never happen (it would never pass).

                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • Regardless of its ability to pass, why vote against it? We're not talking about time. Voting against it takes exactly the same amount of time as voting for it.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                              • But he didn't actually vote against it, did he?

                                He said he wouldn't vote for it today, what once?, twice? to make a point that it isn't feasible and that he needs to get the borders secured first.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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