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  • #16
    Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
    Actually their is, though their government is essentially Parliamentary the name for their Prime Minister equivalent is El Presidente aka President to us.
    Not quite right - it's El Presidente del Gobierno wich isn't the same as US President.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by SlowwHand
      We don't need no stinkin' allies.
      Maybe Brits and maybe Israel.
      Are you saying that Texas needs allies against the other US states ?
      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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      • #18
        No, he's saying texas doesn't need allies.
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        • #19
          No, only that they don't need "stinkin'" allies. Texans already smell bad enough
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          • #20
            Originally posted by SlowwHand
            We don't need no stinkin' allies.
            Maybe Brits and maybe Israel.
            Israel is a useless ally.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
              The story has now appeared on CNN and is blowing up in Spain.

              http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=385x193192
              Dios bendice los medios espanoles!

              If I was a Spaniard, I would be OUTRAGED.
              Last edited by Vesayen; September 18, 2008, 18:39.

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              • #22
                I see you edited the first part out .

                I was about to talk about it. Listening to the clip, I can say its not as bad as I thought it was. Originally he thought she was talking about Mexico (as it seemed they were talking about Latin America and confused "Zapatero" with "Mexico" or "Zapatistas", which are the rebels in Chiapas). After she clarified she was talking about Spain, McCain obviously decided to dance around the question (and seemed to mean it as a slight) ... it seems residual fallout from the pullout from Iraq.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Texans already smell bad enough
                  This is true, especially the Houston area these days.

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                  • #24
                    Yes McCain obviously made a Gaff, that kind of thing happens all the time (especially for him). The part I find cynical of him is that he's going to just let this diplomatic Slap in the face to land on Spain rather then acknowledge his mistake.

                    Well if Bush has an icy relationship with Spain I doubt he has gone to the point of actually articulating a policy like the one McCain just did. A casual and diplomatic 'not able to find time out of your busy schedule' is how you would expect both leaders to express an icy relationship. Allowing public statements which basically says a NATO ally has to "earn" a meeting with him is beyond icy, its an open and public rebuke.

                    I expect Obama to hammer McCain on this with some rhetoric along the lines of "McCain is so anti-diplomacy he won't even agree to meet with our with our NATO allies."
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                    • #25
                      Bunch of whelps have no idea what I was talking about, in the least. Go dry behind your ears and then come back.
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                      • #26
                        At least when I lived there, Spaniards used "El Presidente" to refer to the PM. And Zapatero is a dink.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by snoopy369
                          No, he's saying texas doesn't need allies.
                          'Specially no damn commie countries like Denmark.
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                          • #28
                            Sounded more like a snub of Zapatero than mere ignorance. Which is worse. Spain has troops in Afghanistan (which, if y'all haven't noticed, we desperately need allies for). Publicly slighting its gov't is not merely pointless and dumb, but significantly counterproductive to our foreign policy (if McCain's elected).
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              As for the interview itself, it appears that McCain got confused because they were talking about Latin American leaders and all of a sudden the guy asks about Spain.
                              He does get confused a lot.

                              But I don't think it's digging in heels. I think the Republicans are pissed off at Spain for their policy on Iraq and there needs to be some rapprochement between the two before meetings.
                              I'd buy it if this ("McCain had made positive remarks towards meeting with him only a few months ago. . .") wasn't the case.
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                              • #30
                                Clearly an error on McCain's part. Just as clearly this will have no effect on the election.

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