The Change to Nowhere

[Ramo]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Vouchers are as stupid of an idea as market health care, but he should get credit for accepting global climate change. Strangely enough, I don't recall hearing about that at the RNC. Of course, I fell asleep while McCain was speaking.

Because he voted against legislation designed to (mildly) combat it through a cap and trade system (Warner-Lieberman).

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't know why the Obama camp isn't trying to throw the flip-flopper label on McCain, it fits.

Cause they can throw it back on him for public financing, FISA, etc.

The dirty little secret is that recently the Republicans are FAR better at running campaigns for President than the Democrats are. They seem to "get it", which is where the meme of Dems stealing defeat from the jaws of victory comes from.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I don't know why the Obama camp isn't trying to throw the flip-flopper label on McCain, it fits.

Cause they can throw it back on him for public financing, FISA, etc.

The dirty little secret is that recently the Republicans are FAR better at running campaigns for President than the Democrats are. They seem to "get it", which is where the meme of Dems stealing defeat from the jaws of victory comes from.

I guess you have to act like you are the only true americans, and the other party is the party of evil foreigners, and call yourself morally superior, then pull every dirty trick in the book to get elected.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I guess you have to act like you are the only true americans, and the other party is the party of evil foreigners, and call yourself morally superior, then pull every dirty trick in the book to get elected.

Yes, actually

Well, there was an article in the NYTimes that had an interesting link to some psychologist's article about the basis of morality. Made for an enlightening read. I'll see if I can find it.

[rah]

Yes both parties use dirty tricks. What a surprise.
But history has shown that the repugs are better at it.

Come on, we have one of the least liked presidents in history and the repugs still have a chance to get another one elected. Only in AMERICA.

It does raise the question of why would you vote for a democrat since the party as a whole is obvioiusly imcompetent at presidential elections. Heck the last dem in the white house was really a republican.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by rah
Yes both parties use dirty tricks. What a surprise.
But history has shown that the repugs are better at it.

Come on, we have one of the least liked presidents in history and the repugs still have a chance to get another one elected. Only in AMERICA.

It does raise the question of why would you vote for a democrat since the party as a whole is obvioiusly imcompetent at presidential elections. Heck the last dem in the white house was really a republican.

The thing is that you guys use dirty tricks and the idiots absolve you of it because they buy into the idea that liberals are anti-american.

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by rah
Yes both parties use dirty tricks. What a surprise.
But history has shown that the repugs are better at it.

Come on, we have one of the least liked presidents in history and the repugs still have a chance to get another one elected. Only in AMERICA.

It does raise the question of why would you vote for a democrat since the party as a whole is obvioiusly imcompetent at presidential elections. Heck the last dem in the white house was really a republican.

Unfortunately skill in getting elected does not correlate with skill in governing (see: Bush, GW). Dems may suck at getting elected, but they just might rule at governing, we'll probably never know.

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah
Yes both parties use dirty tricks. What a surprise.
But history has shown that the repugs are better at it.

Come on, we have one of the least liked presidents in history and the repugs still have a chance to get another one elected. Only in AMERICA.

It does raise the question of why would you vote for a democrat since the party as a whole is obvioiusly imcompetent at presidential elections. Heck the last dem in the white house was really a republican.

I guess the Dems, being so diverse, can't create the sort of Party discipline that Repugs have - after all, just look at the two conventions. One looked like the US's actual population, the other a rich Houston Suburb.

[rah]

Heck I was just responding to Kid.

It's results that count in america. It's the scorecard of success. Obviously the dems suck at it despite getting a huge handicap. They obviously don't have a clue what they're doing and don't deserve to win the white house till they wake up and smell the roses.

Actually it's kind of sad. (if you're a dem of course)

[Aeson]

Originally posted by rah
It does raise the question of why would you vote for a democrat since the party as a whole is obvioiusly imcompetent at presidential elections.

For the same reason people vote Republican... herd mentality. You could put a (R) or a (D) on a piece of **** and it'd still get ~40% of the electorate. That's why we'll always have **** in office. (And why neither party has any incentive to actually excel, at most they only have to be less corrupt/evil/incompetent than the other guy, and that's at most... usually they just have to lie about it better.)

[Kidlicious]

It's like the Seinfeld joke.

"Men are getting more women than any other group operating today."

It doesn't really mean men are good at it.

[rah]

I have to agree with both of you there.

It's still SAD.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The dirty little secret is that recently the Republicans are FAR better at running campaigns for President than the Democrats are. They seem to "get it", which is where the meme of Dems stealing defeat from the jaws of victory comes from.

QFT. As James Carvell says:

Democrats excell at 12-point plans and 3-point defeats.

[Lancer]

I just realized that in Dec 2012 the world ends, right after the election. Why, why, whyyyyy couldn't the world end B E F O R E the election.

I think I'll have some Goober on toast. I like the swirls, they taste great.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


It's not too much change though. For decades, we Democrats have been doing everything we possible could to get Republicans elected to Congress.