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  • #16
    I'll have to say, though, a good point was brought up to me the other day; part of the Democrat's problem is that, like the Republicans, they're terribly elitist, the Republicans have the good sense to hide it from the unwashed masses.

    It doesn't make sense to elitists like us why field-dressing a moose is somehow honorable, or "hunting" defenceless animals is "sport" and "American", but that's because our palates are better able to distinguish arugula from iceberg, and would rather have our tofu slaughtered humanely. While we, too, would like to have a drink with our elected leaders, our drinks would probably be finely crafted South African sherries in a cozy salon--which is miles away from the car bombs that they'd be drinking in dive bars whose ideas of beer stein sanitation begin and end with a rinse in lukewarm water that hasn't been changed since the week before.

    Most of America is about that small-town sensibility: to us, we only see the slow, stagnant death of crushed dreams, hopeless resignation, and meth-fueled escapism, but to them they see familiarity with their neighbors and plenty of young, soon-to-be-marital tail. Oh, and [insert minority here]-bashing.

    Which is always fun. That last part, I can totally understand. I hate those ****ing gooks who come here to take our PhD slots, and those fags who always seem to want to suck my dick.

    Wait, no. I meant to say, small-town values are American values. Christian values.
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    • #17
      I hate elitism. It disgusts me, but hell it's pretty hard not to think you're better than a redneck.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Colon™


        I might be biased but Antwerp is a great place to live.
        Unfortunately, with the falling dollar and climbing euro, most Americans cannot afford to live in Europe. Heck, most Americans can't even afford to live in America.

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        • #19
          See, I don't mind elitism. At least, not when it's merited. Because, really? I don't really understand why "being just like an average American" is necessarily a good thing for holding elected office. There's the small point that yes, they could empathize with you, but empathy's not limited by socioeconomic or intellectual strata.

          If anything, I wouldn't want the average American in office. For a country so proud of individuality and people making things out of themselves, why do we so desperately desire mediocrity in our leaders? For a country that supposedly despises "socialism" and how it brings the high-performers down, why do we turn our backs on those high-performers who seek to advance our nation? I don't want our leadership to be mean. I want them to be exceptional. Put the most capable people in there. Ones who don't put on faux airs of being a "regular joe".
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zkribbler


            Unfortunately, with the falling dollar and climbing euro, most Americans cannot afford to live in Europe. Heck, most Americans can't even afford to live in America.
            Most Americans would find that their dollar goes for a lot less in Canada, too.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by snoopy369
              I know he wants to cut taxes for the middle class further. I know he wants to make sure we have the right people in Iraq with the right tools to do the job. I know he wants us to have a more positive relationship with our friends overseas. I believe he wants to limit the effects of lobbyists (whether he says it or not right now, he has a history of campaign finance reform and such and I trust him to stick to that once he wins the election).

              I do slightly adjust some of your silly targets, given they were put forth in a non-neutral way ... but they are not unreasonable adjustments.

              He also wants to restore the dignity of the office of the President, which is a change certainly, and work towards bipartisan goals, which is a major change, healing the rift between the parties. That's why I supported him in the primaries, as opposed to the more combatitive folks on the further right ...
              Very well, put... I'd also add, he's one of the Republicans who saw that global climate change was a problem and wants to invest in alternative energy (most obviously, nuclear). Also he wants to change education... ie, more vouchers. Anyone who knows Republican philosophy at all should realize they want to change our education policy in that way.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kidicious
                I hate elitism. It disgusts me, but hell it's pretty hard not to think you're better than a redneck.


                I'm hoping your purposely meant this as a joke .
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




                  I'm hoping your purposely meant this as a joke .
                  no kidding. Kid is (strangely enough) one of the more elitist posters around here.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by asleepathewheel


                    no kidding. Kid is (strangely enough) one of the more elitist posters around here.
                    In my own defense it has everything to do with their worldview and nothing else. I mean the rednecks who bath are acceptable.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kidicious


                      In my own defense it has everything to do with their worldview and nothing else. I mean the rednecks who bath are acceptable.
                      I haven't bathed in three (soon to be four) days.

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                      • #26
                        Sorry, Zb. I got Sloww's panties in a wad first. Try again for round two!
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                          Very well, put... I'd also add, he's one of the Republicans who saw that global climate change was a problem and wants to invest in alternative energy (most obviously, nuclear). Also he wants to change education... ie, more vouchers. Anyone who knows Republican philosophy at all should realize they want to change our education policy in that way.
                          Vouchers are as stupid of an idea as market health care, but he should get credit for accepting global climate change. Strangely enough, I don't recall hearing about that at the RNC. Of course, I fell asleep while McCain was speaking.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by snoopy369


                            I know he wants to cut taxes for the middle class further. I know he wants to make sure we have the right people in Iraq with the right tools to do the job. I know he wants us to have a more positive relationship with our friends overseas. I believe he wants to limit the effects of lobbyists (whether he says it or not right now, he has a history of campaign finance reform and such and I trust him to stick to that once he wins the election).

                            I do slightly adjust some of your silly targets, given they were put forth in a non-neutral way ... but they are not unreasonable adjustments.

                            He also wants to restore the dignity of the office of the President, which is a change certainly, and work towards bipartisan goals, which is a major change, healing the rift between the parties. That's why I supported him in the primaries, as opposed to the more combative folks on the further right ...
                            Those are all good things about McCain, however the longer this campaign goes on the less faith I have that he'll do any of that. With the ugly, dirty campaign he is running what hope does he have of healing the rift between the parties? He is making that rift worse. When he gets all upset over an obviously innocuous "lipstick on a pig comment" how is he going to restore dignity to the office of the president?

                            For me, his campaign is unraveling the image he has built for himself over the last few years. I simply don't trust him anymore. We was for immigration reform - now he's against it. He was against the tax cuts - now he's for them. I don't know why the Obama camp isn't trying to throw the flip-flopper label on McCain, it fits. I really don't know what he would do if elected. Which McCain would be in the White House?

                            I don't trust the republicans overall either. I watched the campaign and was totally down with their rhetoric. They said all the right things and hit all the right buttons for me. But for the last 8 years they've spent more money and been more fiscally reckless in office than the Democrats could ever hope to be. So I don't trust them.
                            Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                            When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by snoopy369
                              He also wants to restore the dignity of the office of the President, which is a change certainly, and work towards bipartisan goals, which is a major change, healing the rift between the parties.
                              Exactly what Shrub said in 2000.

                              And if McCain really wants to heal rifts between the U.S. and the rest of the world, he should step aside and let Obama win.
                              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                              • #30
                                Nothing will restore international confidence in the US like removing Republicans from office. Certainly McCain/Palin won't do it.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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