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    It would seem that the Czechs know the Russians. Story follows...


    Czechs expect more Georgia-type crises from Russia
    09.07.08, 9:44 AM ET




    UNITED NATIONS, Sept 5 (Reuters) - An increasingly wealthy and confident Russia has been testing the West with its invasion of Georgia and it is likely there will be more such crises in the region, a senior Czech official said on Friday.

    'We (in the West) are being tested; we should be careful and we should be firm,' said Czech Deputy Foreign Minister Tomas Pojar, who met with senior U.S. officials in Washington this week on Czech plans to host part of a missile shield.

    In an interview with a small group of reporters at the United Nations, Pojar said his country believed the Russian invasion of Georgia was not the last crisis that would pit the new bolder Russia against the West.

    'We would not be surprised if similar events ... develop in Crimea,' he said.

    Some analysts have also said the Crimea region in southern Ukraine could be used by Russia to destabilize the country. It hosts Russia's Black Sea fleet in the port of Sevastopol, and the majority of people living there are ethnic Russians.

    'We hope that this is not going to happen,' said Pojar. 'But ... the situation there is not very stable and to provoke more instability would probably not be that difficult.'

    Russia invaded Georgia last month to thwart an attempt by the Georgian military to retake the separatist enclave of South Ossetia, which, like another Georgian rebel region known as Abkhazia, broke away from Tbilisi in the early 1990s.


    CZECH WARNING

    Pojar said that the Czechs, who were subjected to a Soviet-led invasion 40 years ago of what was then still communist Czechoslovakia, were not surprised when war broke out in the Caucasus last month.

    'We were predicting it was possible, that there may be some escalation,' he said. 'Of course, we didn't know when, if it would be for sure. We were trying to avoid it and warn everyone to be cautious.'

    Western officials have said the Georgian leadership did not listen to those who advised caution.

    U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney has been touring southern Caucasus and Black Sea states this week, where he told Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili that Washington remained fully committed to Tbilisi's bid to join NATO, despite Russia's fierce opposition to the alliance's eastward expansion.

    Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko told Cheney on Friday NATO membership was vital to protect his country, which shares a long land border with Russia and has many ethnic Russians.

    The Czechs and the Poles have infuriated Moscow by agreeing to allow the United States to build a U.S. missile shield. Pojar said the Georgian conflict had no impact on the Czech negotiations with the United States on the radar system to be built on Czech territory, if it is approved by parliament.

    One senior Russian military officer recently suggested Moscow could use military force to destroy interceptor missiles to be stationed in Poland.

    Pojar said he was confident the Czechs and Poles could rely on their fellow NATO members to come to their aid militarily in the event Russia attacked the missile shield, something he said Prague doubted would ever happen.
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    I'd have to agree with them, on most points.
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    • #3
      Clearly, the missile shield is not designed for a conflict with Russia...
      "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
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      • #4
        Re: Czechs expect more Georgia-type crises from Russia

        Originally posted by Lancer
        Russia invaded Georgia last month to thwart an attempt by the Georgian military to retake the separatist enclave of South Ossetia, which, like another Georgian rebel region known as Abkhazia, broke away from Tbilisi in the early 1990s.
        Yes.

        Western officials have said the Georgian leadership did not listen to those who advised caution.

        Yes.

        [q]Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko told Cheney on Friday NATO membership was vital to protect his country, which shares a long land border with Russia and has many ethnic Russians. [q]
        No. This will destabilize the situation.

        One senior Russian military officer recently suggested Moscow could use military force to destroy interceptor missiles to be stationed in Poland.

        Terribly misquoted. They forgot to add "in case of an attack by NATO or the US".
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        • #5
          You know, the alliance systems of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, first initiated by the Germans, Austro-Hungarians and Italians in 1882 with the formation of the Tripl Alliance, had absolutely nothing to do with the origins of WW1.
          "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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          • #6
            The Czechs have been sold up the river enough times to know when bad things are coming around.
            -rmsharpe

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              I'd have to agree with them, on most points.
              You would.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by rmsharpe
                The Czechs have been sold up the river enough times to know when bad things are coming around.
                Maybe if they had shown up to support their king when Suleiman was invading Hungary they wouldn't have become the *****es of Central Europe.
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                • #9
                  The purpose of NATO is to prevent a war with Russia. Not to cause one.
                  VANGUARD

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vanguard
                    The purpose of NATO is to prevent a war with Russia. Not to cause one.
                    A war which NATO could well have lost when it was first created and right on up through until the 80s. The reason for the creation of NATO, you are correct, was to prevent a war with the Sovs that without the international cooperation in NATO the West would surely have fought and lost, one country at a time. (Which is one reason why it was so pathetic of France to have pulled out)

                    That is why if we give NATO membership to Georgia, if it is attacked again, it is the duty of NATO to counterattack Russia. That has the makings of the end of the world. It should be made clear to Russia therefore that if they attack Georgia they risk an counter invasion of Russia and therefore a world wide nuke war. If that happens Putin will not only not have his dacha on the Black Sea, but will live out the few remaining years of his life in a cold, dank bomb shelter surviving on canned food put there in the 1960s.

                    That is something even the Russians seem to be able to understand, since they never attacked NATO during cold war 1.
                    Last edited by Lancer; September 7, 2008, 19:16.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Czechs expect more Georgia-type crises from Russia

                      Originally posted by Lancer

                      Some analysts have also said the Crimea region in southern Ukraine could be used by Russia to destabilize the country. It hosts Russia's Black Sea fleet in the port of Sevastopol, and the majority of people living there are ethnic Russians.
                      Oh crap. We know what happens in these situations.

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                      • #12
                        Exactly. That's why we should do a people swap like onodera suggested the Georgians do in the other thread. The Ukraine tosses out the Russians in the Ukraine and the Russians toss the Ukrainians in Russia, essentially swapping them.

                        However maybe onodera only wants that when it benefits the Russians.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lancer
                          Exactly. That's why we should do a people swap like onodera suggested the Georgians do in the other thread. The Ukraine tosses out the Russians in the Ukraine and the Russians toss the Ukrainians in Russia, essentially swapping them.

                          However maybe onodera only wants that when it benefits the Russians.
                          Of course I do, do I look like a pinko cosmopolitan hippie to you?
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                          • #14
                            Not in the least. All Russians are hardball players.

                            Btw onodera, a major poll showed McCain 3 points up. That's an 11 point shift, all because the left doesn't know how to treat a lady.

                            So, looks like you Russians will have a match for ornery stubborness in the White House. Better pull out of Georgia while it still looks like it was your idea. It would be wise.

                            Or stay and do it the hard way.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vanguard
                              The purpose of NATO is to prevent a war with Russia. Not to cause one.
                              Given that the United States has started seven times the number of fights that the USSR/Russia has since the end of WWII, that statement can only be the product of the mind of someone with their head in the sand.
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