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I don't agree. Setting laws that everybody breaks erodes respect for the law overall.
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I have to agree on that.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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That's because you don't comprehend the psychology behind binge drinking that underage drinking promotes. The fact is people 18-21 drink. Period. It's widely known and widely proven that such an age restriction promotes binge drinking. Binge drinkers get more drunk than your average drinker when they drink because it's a limited opportunity.Originally posted by snoopy369
Would it help my argument any if I said I think the drinking age should be 55?
In any event, the fact that we have a higher DD rate than the UK even with 21 is an argument for why it should be 21 here - obviously we can't handle our booze properly. I don't believe the 21 drinking age has anything to do with the reason for our DD rate being so high...
The 21 drinking age is a bad thing across the board, mainly because it doesn't prevent people from drinking but it does encourage them to drink less responsibly."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Quebec is not in Canada, it is its own nation that simply receives foreign aid from Canada, not unlike third world countries.Originally posted by Method
18 in quebec too, which makes gatineau a popular location for 18th birthday celebrations
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Lots of people >21 binge drink, also.Originally posted by Asher
That's because you don't comprehend the psychology behind binge drinking that underage drinking promotes. The fact is people 18-21 drink. Period. It's widely known and widely proven that such an age restriction promotes binge drinking. Binge drinkers get more drunk than your average drinker when they drink because it's a limited opportunity.
The 21 drinking age is a bad thing across the board, mainly because it doesn't prevent people from drinking but it does encourage them to drink less responsibly.
Dan/Rah: The way you deal with 'everyone breaking the law' if it is a good/just law is, you enforce the law. It doesn't take long before people start taking you seriously, and stop breaking it.
People lose respect for the law when they believe they can break the law and get away with it, just like a dog will stop obeying you if he thinks he can get away with it. It has nothing to do with the law itself. If you make things legal simply because people break the law, you erode the legal system further, because you admit you can't enforce the laws ...<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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Clearly, you are correct.Originally posted by snoopy369
Dan/Rah: The way you deal with 'everyone breaking the law' if it is a good/just law is, you enforce the law. It doesn't take long before people start taking you seriously, and stop breaking it.
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BTW, previous to last month, I was in favor of dropping it to 18 also. It is the issue with the brain being particularly weak to substances at that age which has tipped me back into the keep it 21 camp.
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If it's a good law. That's the kicker. If people perceive it as a bad law, additional enforcement reduces respect even farther. Trying to eliminate booze at colleges is silly.Originally posted by snoopy369
Dan/Rah: The way you deal with 'everyone breaking the law' if it is a good/just law is, you enforce the law. It doesn't take long before people start taking you seriously, and stop breaking it.
It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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People only respect laws that don't affect them.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That's pretty obviously false.
Anyway, if the problems are binge drinking and drunk driving, combat those things. Trying to ban pre-21 yr olds from drinking won't work (in large part b/c a substantial portion of the population thinks the law is bull****).
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BRING PROHIBITION BACK! MAKE ALL ALCOHOL ILLEGAL!
That's my two cents, carry on
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Excuse me, but are you trying to tell us that you waited until you were 21 to drink?Originally posted by Arrian
That's pretty obviously false.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I thought you meant "the law" in general. There are laws that affect me that I respect.
No, I drank from ~17 on.
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As a <21 college student who doesn't drink and doesn't plan on drinking, I think this proposal is both obviously correct and probably doomed to failure.
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If I don't rob houses or have any inclination to do so than a law against robbing houses doesn't affect me. That's what I mean.Originally posted by Arrian
I thought you meant "the law" in general. There are laws that affect me that I respect.
No, I drank from ~17 on.
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If you have an inclination to drink before you turn 21, and there is a law against doing that, you will not respect that law. You may, however, respect it if there are severe consequences.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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If I don't rob houses or have any inclination to do so than a law against robbing houses doesn't affect me. That's what I mean.
Unless that law deters someone else from robbing your house...Comment
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