It's war. Part III

[Naked Gents Rut]

Chapter I, Article 2, Paragraph 4

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Chapter I, Article 2, Paragraph 7

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb


In the Caucasus it's always been an "eye for an eye". The Ossetians are certainly not the people who easily forgive their most hated enemies who previously did the same with thier homes.

It seems like the Georgians doesn't think that way, so your claims that if the russians hadn't interfered in another countrys affairs, it would have been holocaust II doesn' make any sense at all.

Btw. You are so concerned about the russian peacekeepers. Just out of curiosity, why didn't they do their job and prevent SO militias from killing georgian civilians ? If they had done that, georgia wouldn't have sent in their military.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Chapter I, Article 2, Paragraph 4



Chapter I, Article 2, Paragraph 7

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

Chapter Vll. Article 51:

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

The attack vs. our peacekeepers was an act of agression so we had a right for an individual or collective self-defence

Case closed.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


It seems like the Georgians doesn't think that way, so your claims that if the russians hadn't interfered in another countrys affairs, it would have been holocaust II doesn' make any sense at all.

Oh really? Then what the hell do you think Georgians were doing in Tskhinvali and South Ossetian villages? Gave roses to the locals? Or shooting them on sight and burn their houses?

Btw. You are so concerned about the russian peacekeepers. Just out of curiosity, why didn't they do their job and prevent SO militias from killing georgian civilians ? If they had done that, georgia wouldn't have sent in their military.

Probably because that were Georgian provocations which Sukashvili needed to start the war?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
The attack vs. our peacekeepers was an act of agression so we had a right for an individual or collective self-defence

Case closed.

Not really.

Saakashvili was left with a choice on August 7th — allow a devastating South Ossetian attack on Georgian villages adjacent to the regional capital of Tskhinvali, or stop it. And Saakashvili decided to stop it.

[Serb]

By killing Russian peacekeepers?

Or by bombardment of Tskhinvali with his Grads?

[Naked Gents Rut]

The attack vs. our peacekeepers was an act of agression so we had a right for an individual or collective self-defence.

South Ossetia is not a member of the United Nations; a Georgian attack on its own territory does not justify a Russian invasion in the name of collective self-defence. And it is ridiculous for Russia to claim it is acting in individual self-defence when the Russian troops that may or may not have been attacked were outside Russia, intervening inside the borders of another sovereign country.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
South Ossetia is not a member of the United Nations;

Doesn't really matter. Russia is a member of the UN.

a Georgian attack on its own territory does not justify a Russian invasion in the name of collective self-defence.

How so? They were killing Russian troops, you think we have no right to defend our peacekeepers and our citizens?

And it is ridiculous for Russia to claim it is acting in individual self-defence when the Russian troops that may or may not have been attacked were outside Russia, intervening inside the borders of another sovereign country.

Damn, boy, are you dumb or something? The Russian troops you are talking about were the PEACEKEEPERS who have been there since 1992 when the first South Ossetian-Georgian war has ended by signing a cease-fire agreement between Ossetians and Georgians.
Their presence "inside the borders of another sovereign country" was ABSOLUTELY legal from the international law. They kept peace in the region for 16 years.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
By killing Russian peacekeepers?

Keep your proxies peaceful if you don't want your soldiers shot at.

[Darius871]

Who'd the AECCP lose DD?

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Keep your proxies peaceful if you don't want your soldiers shot at.

Great, it's all Ossetian fault, they brought it on themselves, right?

****. Is it so hard to understand that the only person who was interested in the begging of new war was your loyal lackey Mr. Sukashvili, who promised to reunite Georgia by all means necessary before he'll quit the office?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Darius871
Who'd the AECCP lose DD?

Code talk?

[Darius871]

Serb's TLATing the JGBAR, DD.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Not really.

Saakashvili was left with a choice on August 7th — allow a devastating South Ossetian attack on Georgian villages adjacent to the regional capital of Tskhinvali, or stop it. And Saakashvili decided to stop it.

Do you support the way how he decided to stop it/do you support the bombardment of Tskhinvali/do you support killing of peacekeepers?

Would you send reinforcements if YOUR peacekeepers were under attack and took casualties?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Darius871
Serb's TLATing the JGBAR, DD.

That sounds like Mongolian for my ear.