What the West should do about teh Russian agressors.

[Arrian]

[Dinner]

I'm not saying it will happen. I'm saying that would be what I would do. It seems McCain agrees as well.

[Sava]

extend a no-fly zone over Georgia

air war

then send in B2's to mop up any remaining ground forces

carpet bombing

[snoopy369]

Oerdin, I think you miss Arrian's point (and feed directly into it ...)

Hello Sava We need to have another lunchtime polymeet one of these days

[Sava]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by snoopy369 [/SIZE

Hello Sava We need to have another lunchtime polymeet one of these days

hi

YES

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The response should be to freeze all Russian assets in the west & it's allies in Asia if Russia does not immediately stop its invasion of Georgia. Russian nationalists have already nationalized many western business interests in Russia so the Russians have much more to lose at this point. If that doesn't work then an embargo of Russia might be in order.

Long term Europe needs to ween itself off of Russian oil and gas. So completing a pipeline from Libya to Italy is in order as is connecting Algerian fields up to this pipeline and possibly building a second pipeline from Morocco to Spain. The EU should switch everything it can from gas to electric (stoves, home heaters, etc) and use nuclear power or worse (but still an ok option) generate electricity by burning coal. Speaking of coal the EU needs to immediately start building coal gasification and liquification facilities on a massive scale so that they have a domestic alternative to Russian fuel.

NATO won't go to war over Georgia so this would be a bluff but ordering military mobilizations might get Russia's attention as would providing material support to states unfriendly to Russia. Medium term if Russia continues to arm proxies then the west should begin arming and training rebel groups in Russia. Turn around is fair play. Let the Russians see we can destabilize them as well.

You want to do all that to Russians, 'cause we intervened to save our peacekeepers and citizens, to protect civilians from the agressor who broke the cease-fire treaty and turn a peacefull city into ruins, who killed hundreds of innocent people and could have killed much more if our peacekeepers we just watching the bloodbath and do nothing to stop it?
Ok.
Then I have a three questions for you:
1) What the West should do about Georgian bloody regime who broke the cease-fire agreement and destroyed the South Osetian capital, butchered civilians a day before the first Russian tank crossed the South Osetian border to stop it?

2) What the World had to do to USA and NATO after their bombings of Yougoslavia in 1999, when Serbs were trying to restore the constitutional order in its breakaway province of Kosovo occupied by illigal terrorist formations?

3) What the World had to do to USA after its invasion to Iraq for BS WMD reason?

Medium term if Russia continues to arm proxies then the west should begin arming and training rebel groups in Russia.

You think you ever stopped this Cold war practice? Who the **** do you think supplied Chechen scums who murdered our children in Beslan, Nord-Ost, etc?
You did through your lackeys in Georgia.

[Arrian]

Oerdin, I think you miss Arrian's point (and feed directly into it ...)

Yep. Said policies are ****ing STUPID.

-Arrian

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Sava


hi

YES

I work downtown now, so any lunch is good for me

[Sava]

Originally posted by Serb


2) What the World had to do to USA and NATO after their bombings of Yougoslavia in 1999, when Serbs were trying to restore the constitutional order in its breakaway province of Kosovo occupied by illigal terrorist formations?

You see... NATO bombed the Serbs because those were actually legal terrorist formations that the Serbs were messing with.

It's a subtle, yet very important difference.

When Israel and the US kill civilians, it's "collateral damage" (even when the numbers are staggeringly higher than so called "massacres" at Srebrenica). But the Serbs do it and it's "ethnic cleansing".

Do you understand now?

Oh, and when Russia attacks Georgia, it's a BLITZ, mein heir.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5549769

[fed1943]

Georgians are good guys, such as Talibans and AlQuada were.

(What happened to your memory?).

Best regards,

[OzzyKP]

I'm not sure why Russia is necessarily the bad guy here. Georgia broke the cease fire, Georgia picked a fight, they should deal with the consequences of picking a fight with the biggest kid on the block.

I think Serb may be right to point out paralells to Serbia. If it is ok for Kosovo and other places to break away from Serbia/Yugoslavia, how is it different to allow South Ossetia independence?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I think Serb may be right to point out paralells to Serbia. If it is ok for Kosovo and other places to break away from Serbia/Yugoslavia, how is it different to allow South Ossetia independence?

Ask him when Chechnya or Dagestan will attain independence. Also since he seems to be so caring of civilian lives in the conflict area perhaps you could get him to extol the admirable lengths the Soviet err Russian army of today goes to in order to protect them.

[GePap]

Everyone is a hypocrite when it comes to the issue of "territorial integrity," always willing to defend that of themselves or friends, always ready to stand up for the "self-determination" of others against their enemies or non-friends.

Its quite obnoxious, but it won't change, and in this regard the Russians are no worse than the West, and no better.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by GePap
Everyone is a hypocrite when it comes to the issue of "territorial integrity," always willing to defend that of themselves or friends, always ready to stand up for the "self-determination" of others against their enemies or non-friends.

Its quite obnoxious, but it won't change, and in this regard the Russians are no worse than the West, and no better.

Yea, that's what I'm thinking.

And DD, I'm not defending Serb. I sure he makes a lot of ridiculous stands in many debates. I'm just making the point that GePap made.

[Kirnwaffen]

The west should and will do nothing. Georgia played with fire and got burned. Whether the territory is technically theirs or not, they should have known better than to think the Russians wouldn't respond.

The reality of the situation is that Russia:

1) has nukes

2) has a large enough conventional army to cause a potentially long lasting war in Europe

3) has the ability to cut off oil and gas supplies to Western Europe.

4) a veto vote on the Security Council.

What does anybody expect the West to do? This is one instance where Russia happens to be holding all the cards.