Who do you hate more?

[Hercules]

There are a quite a number of people/options missing from the poll.

[David Floyd]

Anyone who hates anything here more than Nazis should have their dick cut off and shoved up their ass.

Well, actually I hate communism and Al Qaeda much more than the Nazis. Why?

Well, they are all three equally evil, but the difference is that MOST of us here, myself included, would be much freer in Nazi Germany than we would in the Soviet Union or any country run by Al Qaeda.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You mean, all you white people? Nice.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You mean, all you white people? Nice.

Ehrm, no offense, but I think that you can include at least arabs into the bunch.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Arabs are Caucasian, so I don't see why they wouldn't be. Though, then again, the Slavs didn't get off all the easy under the Nazi ideology.

[BlackCat]

Well, I didn't claim that nazi ideology makes sense

[Nikolai]

Not that it's much relevant to the topic as such, but the arab leadership was Hitler's best friends, so much can be said.

[Zanarkand]

Well, they are all three equally evil

You don't know that.

the difference is that MOST of us here, myself included, would be much freer in Nazi Germany than we would in the Soviet Union or any country run by Al Qaeda.

You don't know that either.


I don't really get how people can use the word "evil" in an every-day situation. Do we even know what the word means? To me, no man or woman on this earth is evil. And my personal opinion is that none of us are in the position to say who's evil and who's not.

[Heresson]

You

[David Floyd]

Zanark,

Assuming evil has any meaning at all, then I think all three - Nazism, Communism, and Al Qaeda/radical Islam - fit the bill. If evil doesn't have a meaning and we are talking moral relativism, then fine but let's just be clear about what we're talking about.

And Imran, yes, I did mean "all us white people" although I didn't mean it in a racist way. I just meant that for me personally, life in Nazi Germany would probably be a lot more comfortable than life in the Soviet Union, North Korea, Maoist China, or a Muslim nation under Sharia.

[SlowwHand]

Or Detroit. Chicago. NYC. Philly. On and on.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by David Floyd
And Imran, yes, I did mean "all us white people" although I didn't mean it in a racist way. I just meant that for me personally, life in Nazi Germany would probably be a lot more comfortable than life in the Soviet Union, North Korea, Maoist China, or a Muslim nation under Sharia.

It's kind of hard not to mean in a racist way. I mean you'd rather live in a state where you are marginally better off (remember, you still can't speak against the government and have little to no civil freedoms and strongly curtailed economic freedoms) where the state is committing genocide against people because of their race/religion rather than say a state where perhaps everyone is worse off, but for the most part equally based on their birth. As it was said "Soviet Union" that encompasses Gorbachev's rule and Lenin's NEP, not just Stalin's reign.

I just can't understand not hating the ideology which is based upon racial purity and genocide more than the one which has a far more mixed record (communism). Simply because you'd be more comfortable in the one that has as its underpinning the killing of racial groups (remember we are talking about Nazis, not Fascism in general).

[Theben]

There are some nazis who are unclear about the Italians as to whether or not they should be counted as "white". So I'm sure that quite a few of them would care for arabs even less.

[David Floyd]

Well, then, for that matter, "Nazism" also should encompass the periods in which extermination camps didn't exist - which, incidentally, they did not for most of the Nazi reign. The extermination camps started in mid-1942 and went through mid-1945. That's three years out of the 12 year reign.

Similarly, there were periods in communist history that were marginally better than the time under Stalin and Mao. My point is this: If you take the worst of both regimes, I would be better off under Nazism, and if you take the best of both regimes, I would still be better off under Nazism. I'm not defending Nazi policy, I'm just saying that if I had to pick - Nazi Germany at a random period in it's history, a random communist nation at a random period in history, and a random fundamentalist Muslim country at a random period in it's history, then odds are pretty good I'd be better off picking Nazi Germany.

I just can't understand not hating the ideology which is based upon racial purity and genocide more than the one which has a far more mixed record (communism). Simply because you'd be more comfortable in the one that has as its underpinning the killing of racial groups (remember we are talking about Nazis, not Fascism in general).

Eh, Nazism was based on racial purity, communism was and is based on making everyone equally poor. Nothing "mixed" about either record - the records of both systems speak for themselves.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, then, for that matter, "Nazism" also should encompass the periods in which extermination camps didn't exist - which, incidentally, they did not for most of the Nazi reign. The extermination camps started in mid-1942 and went through mid-1945. That's three years out of the 12 year reign.

The hatred against Jews was there since the beginning and the plan to get rid of them was around even before then (see: Mein Kampf). As long as Naziism has been around, there has been an ethnic cleansing component to it.

My point is this: If you take the worst of both regimes, I would be better off under Nazism, and if you take the best of both regimes, I would still be better off under Nazism.

So because it'd serve your own personal interest, regardless of how others are treated, you would hate it less? That's ****ed up man. Does your morality come down to, well, if I'm doing well, its ok to slaughter everyone else?

communism was and is based on making everyone equally poor

And here we have it... David Floyd knows **** all about Communism... though I suspected as much. Read up on the NEP and that was Lenin's idea (and advocated by Bukharin). Also look at Deng-ist Chinese Communism (ie, the socialist market economy).

And regardless, even if communism was about making everyone equally poor, it is still is leagues, leagues better than an ideology based on racial purity. Better to be poor than to kill all the darkies.

In addition, Naziism was centrally based on constant warfare... it's what would actually make life better for the likes of you, which you care about so much. Constant invading and enslaving of lesser races. Commies liked mostly just starting small proxy wars.

Perhaps this is just based on the movies and therefore a bit silly, but there is a reason that the villains of Indiana Jones 1 & 3 were far scarier than 2 or 4 and made far, far better enemies than Indians or Communists. That's because Nazis are ****ing EVIL.