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    For those who don't know, Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen (born and raised in Toronto) who was captured by US Forces in Afghanistan. He was 15 when he was captured and his father was an Al Qaeda loyalist who had ordered his son with him to fight the Jihad. His father was killed, Khadr was shot and captured and is accused of lobbing a grenade that killed an American medic.

    He's still in Guantanamo Bay to this day. The only Western citizen not repatriated to his home country.

    There's been a lot of legal battles over this, but recently the interrogation tapes by CSIS (Canadian spy agency) have been made public.





    'You don't care about me,' Omar Khadr sobs in interview tapes

    A teenage Omar Khadr sobs uncontrollably as Canadian spy agents question him at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in interrogation footage released by his lawyers Tuesday.

    The video is of poor quality and the voices are often inaudible, as it was never intended to be viewed by the public. But it shows the Toronto-born Khadr, 16 at the time, being interviewed by Canadian Security Intelligence Service officials over several days in late February 2003.

    The footage is from five formerly classified DVDs consisting of 7½ hours of questioning that took place six months after Khadr was captured, following a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. Khadr, who is a Canadian citizen, has been held at Guantanamo Bay for six years on charges that he killed a U.S. medic during a firefight in Afghanistan.

    Khadr's defence lawyers have repeatedly called for their client to be returned to Canada, arguing he was a child soldier and was tortured to extract confessions.

    Although he appears reluctant to answer many of the interrogator's questions, Khadr is shown at one point on the tapes saying to his questioners, "Promise me you'll protect me from the Americans."

    Upon further questioning, during which time interrogators insisted Khadr be clear on the truth, the teen said: "They tortured me very badly at Bagram [detention facility in Afghanistan]."

    "They tortured you?" the interrogator asked.

    "Yes," Khadr replied.

    "And you had to say what you said?" the interrogator asked.

    The tapes, made public under a court order obtained by Khadr's lawyers, offer a rare glimpse of interrogations of Guantanamo detainees and of Khadr, now 21. The only Western foreigner still being held at the naval prison, Khadr is scheduled to go on trial before a U.S. military commission in the fall.

    The U.S. Defence Department granted special permission to CSIS and Canada's Foreign Affairs Ministry to question Khadr after he was brought to Guantanamo Bay.
    Shows wounds from firefight

    A brief video excerpt of the tapes was released via the internet early Tuesday morning, followed by disc copies of the five DVDs made available in the afternoon at the lawyers' offices in Edmonton.

    At another point during one of the interviews, Khadr raises his orange prison-issued shirt to show wounds that he says he sustained during the firefight.

    He complains that he can't move his arms and hasn't received proper medical attention.

    "I'm not a doctor, but I think you're getting good medical care," the interrogator responds. As with all the agents in the video, his face is blacked out to protect his identity.

    Khadr cries, "I lost my eyes. I lost my feet. Everything!" in reference to how the firefight in Afghanistan affected his vision.

    "No, you still have your eyes and your feet are still at the end of your legs, you know," a man says.

    When the agent accuses Khadr of crying to avoid interrogation, Khadr tells the agent between gasping sobs, "You don't care about me."

    As Khadr continues crying, the agent calls for a break.

    "Look, I want to take a few minutes. I want you to get yourself together. Relax a bit. Have a bite to eat and we'll start again," the interrogator says.

    Then Khadr begins sobbing with his head in both his hands, chanting over and over again in a haunting voice. His words are difficult to hear, and at first could be taken for "Kill me" or "Help me."

    However, Arabic speakers working at CBCNews.ca say the teenager appears to be keening "Ya ummi," which is Arabic for "My mother." (Asked about it after the video was released, Khadr lawyer Nathan Whitling told reporters: "Your guess is as good as mine.")
    'He was screwed up'

    Jim Gould, a now-retired foreign service officer who once visited Guantanamo Bay to assess Khadr's mental and physical condition and was present when the videos were shot, said he thought Khadr should have received "some proper care, custody and probably some treatment."

    "He had been abused or betrayed by everybody who had been in authority above him — his father, the Americans, the people in the cages or the cells with him. He was screwed up," Gould told CBC News.

    "I thought at the time and think today he would be a whole lot better off if he was in a different environment. I was quite conscious of the fact he was young, under the age where we would … try him as an adult, and I sympathize with him."

    Khadr's mother, Maha Elsamnah, emotional after watching her son's interrogation, expressed a deep sense of loss for her family and uncertainty over what she should do.

    In a brief interview with CBC News on Tuesday morning, Elsamnah — who lives in Toronto — said she feels the need to protect the five children still with her.

    Her husband, Ahmed Said Khadr, was an avowed al-Qaeda sympathizer before he was killed in fighting with Pakistani military forces in 2003. Elsamnah refused to say more without speaking to her lawyer.

    But retired soldier Sgt. Layne Morris, who was in the firefight in which U.S. medic Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer was killed by a grenade, allegedly by Khadr, said he has no sympathy for the Guantanamo detainee.

    "Whoever has sympathy for a young snivelling, whining, crying Omar is misplaced sympathy because this is not a man who deserves any sympathy," he told CBCNews.ca.

    "I use all my sympathy for Chris Speer's widow and two children. I have none left for Omar Khadr."

    Morris has repeatedly stated he believes Khadr is responsible for throwing the grenade that killed Speer.
    Interrogation not unusual: Morris

    Morris said the interrogation itself looked mild, and no different than any normal police interview.

    "Anybody who want to tell me that was over the top has certainly never been to war and never been to any police interview. Cops are more aggressive than that, geez. That just offends me that anybody is outraged by that knowing the circumstances."

    Khadr's defence lawyers, however, said they hope Tuesday's release of the videos will spark public support for their efforts.

    "We Canadians stand for compassion, we stand for the rule of law. And what you are seeing there is the abuse of the rule of law as Canadian courts have indicated about Canadians and Canada's involvement in Guantanamo Bay," lawyer Dennis Edney told CBC News.

    Edney said Canadian officials should have asked Khadr about potential torture, but instead went into the interview without any help for the then teenage boy.

    "We don't do that in Canada and that shouldn't have happened to this young, most vulnerable boy in Guantanamo," the lawyer said.

    He also said Khadr suffers from several injuries, including the loss of sight in one eye and difficulty with the other, as well as shrapnel and bullet wounds.

    Referring to Khadr's sobbing chants, Edney said, "It's the cry of a desperate young man. He expected the Canadian officials to take him home."

    But Morris slammed the Khadr's lawyers, saying they're more interested in attacking the system than defending their client.

    "This is just another arrow in their quiver to attack the system and Omar is a convenient vehicle to do that. I think that's an amazing feat to try and sway public opinion in favour of Omar."

    In May, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that branches of the Canadian government had to hand over key evidence against Khadr to his legal team to allow a full defence of the charges against him, which include accusations by the U.S. that he spied for and provided material support to terrorists.

    Several Canadian media organizations then applied for and obtained the release of the DVDs, as well as a package of documents that made headlines last week.
    Officials knew about some aspects of treatment

    The DVDs come nearly a week after internal foreign affairs documents were released showing that Canadian officials knew Khadr had been sleep-deprived for weeks to make him more willing to talk during interrogations.

    The report says that Canadian official Jim Gould learned during a visit to Guantanamo on March 30, 2004, that Khadr had been put on a "frequent flyer program," meaning he was not permitted to remain in any one location for more than three hours.

    In another portion of the videotape released later in the day, the interrogator asks Khadr about the 2002 firefight between suspected Islamist militants and U.S. soldiers and how the fight began.

    Pentagon officials said Khadr, who was 15 at the time, ambushed American soldiers with a hand grenade after the four-hour fight at the suspected al-Qaeda compound in Afghanistan.

    In response to a question, Khadr said it wasn't the Americans they had planned on attacking, but the Northern Alliance — the anti-Taliban coalition.

    "So a firefight started. The Arabs shot at the Americans, the Americans shot back. Did you guys make a decision that you would fight 'til the end,"

    "They made the decision," Khadr replied.

    Khadr shook his head when asked whether he was going to fight until he died.

    Asked whether the event overtook him and he had to react, Khadr said: "I had no choice."



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    'You don't care about me,'
    A fair assumption.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #3
      Why are we caring? He attacked US soldiers and killed one. Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Space05us
        Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists!
        perhaps you wanted to say "stop"?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by MarkG
          perhaps you wanted to say "stop"?
          Just what convinces you we want our deserters back?
          -rmsharpe

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Space05us
            Why are we caring? He attacked US soldiers and killed one. Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists!
            Most of the western world hasn't treated POWs that way for a long time. And whatever you say, he is one.
            Being attacked, he dared to fight the troops, and actually killed one! Doing this not especially wicked, however he came into the situation. Try him for being a member of a terroritst organisation before an ordinary court, and consider how much autonomy the by-then 15-years old had over his choices. Killing an enemy soldier during a battle... bummer.
            Furthermore, there's no way, he could have had serious information to hide that would at least be a fair end for a treatment that can't be justified anyway (torture). A teenage offender who cannot counsil with anybody, who can't defend himself properly or make someone else take up his interests.

            It's a shame how the US (and growingly, most of the western world, see Italy's scandal judgement on the Genoa riots) ****s on any standards and the state of law. No sympathy left.
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            • #7
              I was tempted to post some Asheresque stuff like "Torturing Canadians ", but I'm too much of a nice person to do this
              Blah

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rmsharpe
                Just what convinces you we want our deserters back?
                i assume you want to punish them
                perhaps put them in a prison where they will make bullets or something
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Space05us
                  Why are we caring? He attacked US soldiers and killed one. Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists!
                  Actually he didn't. Two military tribunals in a row found that there is no proof he did and that there is proof one of the other militants on the scene did throw the grenade before he died. Further more the Red Cross and the Canadian government have found that there is creditable evidence the boy was abused as he was made to carry heavy buckets of water in Bahgram while still wounded in the shoulder from a bullet wound plus he was supposedly denied medical care for said bullet wound (surgeries needed to repair his shoulder) until he gave intelligence.

                  Don't get me wrong the guy's father was a piece of **** terrorist and the 15 year old boy likely did do what his father told him to do and he deserves jail time for working with Al Qaeda but abuse, denial of medical care, and torture like water boarding should not be acceptable treatment of prisoners. I mean when John McCain was denied medical care by the North Vietnamese we called it torture and inhumane treatment so we should be honest enough to not do the same thing.
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                  • #10
                    I mean when John McCain was denied medical care by the North Vietnamese we called it torture and inhumane treatment so we should be honest enough to not do the same thing
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Space05us
                      Why are we caring? He attacked US soldiers and killed one. Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists!
                      I don't know if he did what is claimed but either way it doesn't appear that he was a terrorist. I would define a terrorist as someone who uses threats or violence (often/usually against civilians) to create fear in an attempt to further an agenda. He was fighting in a war against (better equiped) soldiers who were invading a foreign country. I'd count him as a soldier.

                      In any case his human rights should be upheld and he shouldn't be tortured. I hope those nasty b@stards let the kid go soon. At that age people are often easily led and in asian culture there is a strong respect for parents and elders (like his dad).

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                      • #12
                        This isn't about law and jail time. People who want this guy released are acting like the fighting is over. Just a couple days ago an American outpost was overrun and several Americans killed. Until hostilities cease, there's no reason to repatriate fighters, whether he killed anybody or not.

                        And as far as Geneva goes, people who fight outside of uniform are not protected. They're considered spies, and for a good reason. When an army can't tell the difference between the enemy and civilians, civilians are much more likely to get hurt. I don't know for sure if he was wearing any sort of uniform, but I'm doubtful.
                        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Felch
                          And as far as Geneva goes, people who fight outside of uniform are not protected. They're considered spies, and for a good reason. When an army can't tell the difference between the enemy and civilians, civilians are much more likely to get hurt. I don't know for sure if he was wearing any sort of uniform, but I'm doubtful.
                          A very good point that I hadn't considered. I still feel that he's too young to be treated in this way though.

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                          • #14
                            This isn't about law and jail time. People who want this guy released are acting like the fighting is over. Just a couple days ago an American outpost was overrun and several Americans killed. Until hostilities cease, there's no reason to repatriate fighters, whether he killed anybody or not.

                            If he is released to his mother's custody in Toronto he's not going to be fighting in Afghanistan...

                            As both the US and Canadian interrogators have said, they don't believe he is a threat to them. Why he's still being held hostage like they believe he is is a mystery.

                            There will never be an end to the hostilities in Afghanistan. That doesn't make it okay to hold a child in custody for years and torture him because he was doing what his father told him to do.

                            Additionally, all other citizens of Western countries have been repatriated except for Khadr. The Canadian government hasn't applied the same pressure as the others, but it should.
                            Last edited by Asher; July 16, 2008, 08:11.
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                            • #15
                              Further more the Red Cross and the Canadian government have found that there is creditable evidence the boy was abused as he was made to carry heavy buckets of water in Bahgram while still wounded in the shoulder from a bullet wound plus he was supposedly denied medical care for said bullet wound (surgeries needed to repair his shoulder) until he gave intelligence.
                              There is absolutely nothing to cooroborate this, it basically comes from this kids testimony any that alone. In other words, it is baseless rumors. I prisoner claiming abuse, SHOCK!!!

                              As both the US and Canadian interrogators have said, they don't believe he is a threat to them. Why he's still being held hostage like they believe he is is a mystery.
                              Even if he isn't a current threat, he still has many years of jail time ahead of him regardless. The simple act of being affiliated in a fighting capacity with Al Queda is good enough for jail time, even if he didn't kill that medic. Note, a medic, or in other words a Geneva Conventions violation that if proven will put him away for a long time.

                              So, besides him saying so (which Al Queda trains them to say regardless), why are we assuming he was tortured. Certainly nobody is seriously going to maintain this video proves anything one way or the other.
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