on Nietzsche

[Maniac]

Originally posted by McCrea
"Elevation" is clearly referring to the development of some form of spiritual conciousness

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by McCrea
So I entirely agree with the author that "evolution does not mean enlightenment". He's simply stating a fact. About the other half of the couplet, well, I simply need more context to be sure. Was he saying simply that the members of the Renaissance were more enlightened? I'd might admit that's probably true today in general, but history is always written by the winners, and I'm not going to speculate on the past at the moment. I'd rather say "...and?" Completely empty without more context for me.

Well, that's the beauty of a 'quote' Thread

But how would he exactly establish whether those renaissances guys were above his contemporaries in "essential worth" or as you put it "more enlightened"?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Not always... the intelligent among us don't have it "pass"

I don't think you're able to lecture me, Imran. I know it's presently one of your main goals in life, but you're doomed to failure.

[McCrea]

I didn't quite finish my example, not that it's of any real consequence. "'I'm purely speculating that the legendary Mongol government was very efficient, whether in matters of time, finance, or civil rights. "
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I see that I used "clearly" too much a few posts ago. Noted.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
The biggest problem with Nietzsche is that most readers simply get it wrong.

Like Teh Hitler

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by BeBro
Well, if he can't himself make clear enough that's mainly his problem

I find him sufficiently clear. Not crystal clear sure, but clear enough that most of his points can be understood.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I don't think you're able to lecture me, Imran. I know it's presently one of your main goals in life, but you're doomed to failure.

I know. You are incapable of listening to reason

[McCrea]

Heh, I was just casually pondering the possible analogies between Hitler and Neitzsche, not that I know anything about either. That's freaky, Kid.

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[Fake Boris]

You can't be serious? Nietzsche despised German imperialism and anti-semitism.

[McCrea]

Yes, seriously. I seriously don't know anything about either, just like I said. Seriously.

But oh! "Neitzsche despised German imperialism and anti-semitism." Do you mean "despised" like "Hitler despised the Jews"? Can you say "a-na-lo-gy"?

Bah. I also once wondered if sex with a ball of dough was anything like sex with a woman.

[GePap]

Originally posted by BeBro
"The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening."

Example for typical Nietzsche bull from "The Antichrist"

"bull"? The Europe he described was about to destroy itself happily and willingly in two World Wars, and was about to commit horrible attrocities, and not oly in Europe.

His statement is rather correct.

[CrONoS]

@OB
He only disliked German Imperialism because he thought that germany would export degenerative culture to others nation. He really disliked german contemporary culture, he had, more admiration for french.

[Fake Boris]

You're right that his primary concern was cultural and not about "saving lives". This said, he considered that imperialism and nationalism were such degenerated ideologies that he was above them - in the sense that they needed not be "refuted".

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
You're right that his primary concern was cultural and not about "saving lives". This said, he considered that imperialism and nationalism were such degenerated ideologies that he was above them - in the sense that they needed not be "refuted".

What was his opinion of Napoleon?

[Fake Boris]

edit: It's an interesting problem. I'd say that he admired him for other reasons.