on Nietzsche

[McCrea]

I haven't studied Nietzsche, but he has many quotes that I appreciate. Here's my interpretation of one of his.
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"The visionary lies to himself, the liar only to others." (Friedrich Nietzsche)


Who is a liar? His shame may be a deed once done. His
pride is the ignorance of others. His sloth conforms to
normalcy. Any reason matters little; he is one that passes
by.

Who is a visionary? He thinks he can, when he cannot.
He surely fights when beaten. He finds advantage when
devoid of opportunity. The cause matters little; he is one
whom men will follow.

If the battle is lost before it's begun,
or you want to see yet the sun has set,
those who denied common sense have made fantasy real.

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by Rob McCrea, submitted for public review.

[BeBMan]

Is that you Hera?

[Deity Dude]

"Whatever does not destroy me, only makes me stronger."

[McCrea]

like taking a big dump.

[Maniac]

WTF

[BeBMan]

"The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening."

Example for typical Nietzsche bull from "The Antichrist"

[McCrea]

Originally posted by BeBro
"The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening."

Hmm, I don't mind the statement, but I certainly wouldn't put stock in it. What's he know about the Renaissance? (That's rhetorical... but I may defend it anyway.)

Example for typical Nietzsche bull from "The Antichrist"

I don't think this example is bull, except that everything is. [should I highlight that?] Everything is bull.

[SlowwHand]

I guess most go through a Nietzsche phase of some duration.
Don't worry. Don't panic. It will pass.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I guess most go through a Nietzsche phase of some duration.
Don't worry. Don't panic. It will pass.

Not always... the intelligent among us don't have it "pass"

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by McCrea


Hmm, I don't mind the statement, but I certainly wouldn't put stock in it. What's he know about the Renaissance? (That's rhetorical... but I may defend it anyway.)

He just uses certain 'patterns' of renaissance stuff to support his philosphophical points in various works IIRC. His stuff created something like a 'renaissance cult' in intellectual/literature circles, just that what he wrote hasn't much to do with what research found about the renaissance.

I don't think this example is bull, except that everything is. [eh, do I have to highlight that?] Everything is bull.

I don't think that everything is bull, except this example is. Cool how this works too

[Maniac]

The two from SMAC:

Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope
over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way,
a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and
stopping. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and
not an end: what can be loved in man is that he is an overture
and a going under. I love those who do not know how to
live, for they are those who cross over.
^
^ -- Friedrich Nietzsche,
^ "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", Datalinks


Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and
believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write
new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and
fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the
harvest.
^
^ -- Friedrich Nietzsche,
^ "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", Datalinks

[McCrea]

"the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening."

While it's true that evolution does clearly, sometimes, indicate strength and some form of improvement, that is clearly not the author's intention. "Elevation" is clearly referring to the development of some form of spiritual conciousness, and I believe "enhancement" and "strengthening" should as well.

So I entirely agree with the author that "evolution does not mean enlightenment". He's simply stating a fact. About the other half of the couplet, well, I simply need more context to be sure. Was he saying simply that the members of the Renaissance were more enlightened? I'd might admit that's probably true today in general, but history is always written by the winners, and I'm not going to speculate on the past at the moment. I'd rather say "...and?" Completely empty without more context for me.

[McCrea]

Originally posted by BeBro

I don't think that everything is bull, except this example is. Cool how this works too

Yes, i was certainly prepared to say that saying "everything is bull" was a bunch of bull.

Originally posted by SlowwHand

I guess most go through a Nietzsche phase of some duration.
Don't worry. Don't panic. It will pass.

Nietzsche phase? Not me (some interest, not much), but thanks far caring.

Silly thread was supposed to be about my writing, but it's good. We can rip up dead guys instead of me.

[Pekka]

The biggest problem with Nietzsche is that most readers simply get it wrong.

[BeBMan]

Well, if he can't himself make clear enough that's mainly his problem