How big will Obama's victory be?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Obama has tried to point out that, even if we granted drilling rights now, it'd be ten years before the oil would start being pumped.

So energy won't be an important issue in ten years? What a specious argument. Are you suggesting that policies encouraging a transition to renewable sources would take effect any faster?

[Zkribbler]

I'm saying the McCain is grandstanding when he argues the solution to today's gas prices is to rape the environment by drilling in sensative ecological areas.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
I'm saying the McCain is grandstanding when he argues the solution to today's gas prices is to rape the environment by drilling in sensative ecological areas.

When did McCain ever suggest that it'd solve "today's" gas prices, or even next year's? I can't help but think you're putting words into his mouth.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Darius871


When did McCain ever suggest that it'd solve "today's" gas prices, or even next year's? I can't help but think you're putting words into his mouth.

Oops, sorry. What he meant then is that he has no solution to today's high gas prices.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why won't McCain do well? He's been vindicated on Iraq.

I thought this election was supposed to be about the war, and now it's about high gas prices?

So the Iraq War will help McCain?

You are a strange funny little man.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Oops, sorry. What he meant then is that he has no solution to today's high gas prices.

And Obama does? We're back to square one again:

1) Obama quipped that one of McCain's proposed solutions wouldn't take effect for over a decade.
2) I'm asking you why anything Obama proposes would take effect any more quickly.
3) If you don't have an answer to #2, I can only conclude that the argument in #1... well... doesn't really say anything at all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Arrian
Imran, you still gonna vote McCain? Just curious.

-Arrian

I'm weighing. I'm leaning McCain, but I can be swayed to the Obama camp. Though, if it happens, it'll be spite of most Obama supporters who I find obnoxious to the extreme.

I could also get sick of both of them and vote for Barr.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Darius871
And Obama does? We're back to square one again:

1) Obama quipped that one of McCain's proposed solutions wouldn't take effect for over a decade.
2) I'm asking you why anything Obama proposes would take effect any more quickly.
3) If you don't have an answer to #2, I can only conclude that the argument in #1... well... doesn't really say anything at all.

If you're saying that Obama hasn't proposed any quick fixes, you're right. He's mature enough to realize this is a long-term problem and it will take long-term solutions.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
If you're saying that Obama hasn't proposed any quick fixes, you're right. He's mature enough to realize this is a long-term problem and it will take long-term solutions.

Then what's the point of this comment of yours: Oops, sorry. What he meant then is that he has no solution to today's high gas prices.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
..., it'll be spite of most Obama supporters who I find obnoxious to the extreme.

Geez, Imran. I'm sitting right here.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
If you're saying that Obama hasn't proposed any quick fixes, you're right. He's mature enough to realize this is a long-term problem and it will take long-term solutions.

Wait, so your first point was that McCain's proposal would take too long to take effect, but now it's a "quick fix"? Which is it?

[Zkribbler]

You'll have to ask McCain. He says the solution is to drill, drill, drill.

Someone above points out that McCain never said it would help today's problems. So, does McCain mean today or ten years from now? Your guess is as good as mine.

[SlowwHand]

Speculators aren't helping the situation.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler

Originally posted by Darius871
Wait, so your first point was that McCain's proposal would take too long to take effect, but now it's a "quick fix"? Which is it?

You'll have to ask McCain. He says the solution is to drill, drill, drill.

Someone above points out that McCain never said it would help today's problems. So, does McCain mean today or ten years from now? Your guess is as good as mine.

I give up... this is just going in circles

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
IMHO, McCain is now at his high point.

(1) McCain has been able to blast Obama from the sidelines while Obama and Clinton wrestled with each other. Now, Mac's free pass is over.

(2) Obama has a ton of money McCain does not.

(3) Obama has the core Dems behind him. McCain lacks the full support of the Repub core.

(4) McCain's best issue is evaporating as the war in Iraq goes better.

(5) As the economy crumbles, McCain's remedy is to call for more tax cuts for the richest Americans.

(6) The more Americans see of Obama, the better they like him. And as the campaign goes on, they'll be seeing more of him.

Zkribbler FTW

The three most important fundementals favor Obama. No modern party has ever retained the White House when (1) the economy is crumbling; (2) the outgoing president is unpopular, and (3) they've already had it for two terms. Those things are, arguably, more important than any policy position, question of experience, religious rumor, etc.

Beyond that, Zkrib gets it: Not only does Obama have more money than McCain, the Dems have more money than the GOP and can spend more of it on the presidential campaign (the GOP is going to have to divert a greater percentage of its war chest to its many vulnerable senators); not only are more people energized about Obama than about McCain, but more people are identifying broadly with the Dems than with the GOP. And in spite of fears about Hillary's Angry Amazon Army, polls are showing that Obama currently has a larger percentage of the woman's vote than either Gore or Kerry had; Hillary-Voters-for-McCain look like they'll be a non-issue.

I think Obama's headed for a significant popular vote victory. Unfortunately, because of electoral college math, that will translate to only a narrow Electoral College victory, something like ~280-290 vs. 258-248.