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Originally posted by Heraclitus
Didn't you say you where getting out of the debate (as in putting an end to it?).
Didn't you say you where getting out of the debate (as in putting an end to it?).
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no"post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
"I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller
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A pagan who converts to Christianity is a pagan apostate.Originally posted by germanos
BTW: is there a significant difference between 'apostacy' and 'coversion' in English? If so: what?
Apostacy means leaving the religion in question, for either another religion (to which you convert), atheism or agnosticism.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Then why did you say you where putting an end to the debate? Don't say what I implied in jest was true!Originally posted by germanos
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Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I think this is overblown, but I'm vaguely intrigued by the whole thing. It doesn't worry me, for this basic reason:
The only people who are likely to consider him an apostate and jump up and down about it are people like A-Q who already hate us and consider us evil/great satan/etc. We can't really do much about the mindset of such people anyway, whether the President is McCain or Obama.
I don't think the non-loonies will make an issue out of this, and they're the ones whose opinions I actually give a damn about.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Apostasy indicates making statements or holding beliefs contrary to your religion.
Conversion indicates adopting a new religion.
The two do not necessarily go together, but they often do.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.Comment
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Are you saying it phased Hamas?Originally posted by Q Cubed
fazed, not phased.
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It's a wonder Obama has to spend so much money on his campaign when he has so many people who are willing to get bent out of shape in defending him on the internet. Makes me wonder just what is in that Obama Kool-AidWhich side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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Defending him?
Personally, I was simply giving my opinion as to whether or not this is a concern as a voter.
I have defended him on other matters, but this really doesn't have much to do with him. It's about the perceptions of others.
I drink no koolaid, regardless of what the pitcher is marked.
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Wasn't really directed towards youOriginally posted by Arrian
Defending him?
Personally, I was simply giving my opinion as to whether or not this is a concern as a voter.
I have defended him on other matters, but this really doesn't have much to do with him. It's about the perceptions of others.
I drink no koolaid, regardless of what the pitcher is marked.
-Arrian sorry you took offense.
I think you were right in that the only people who this might bother are the ones who already hate us enough to kill anyway. It just intrigues me how people consider him the coming of a new man in Washington when I don't really see anything new in him.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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Just as I thought. My point is that you really have no idea what actual Muslims think about this topic. You're tossing together a bunch of fringe interpretations you've found on the interwebs and calling it representative of mainstream Islamic opinion.
No I don't know any muslims that think that but what relevance does this have? I only know one Muslim and he dosen't even practice the religion anymore.
Can you find a single Muslim scholar, fringe or otherwise, who has said or written that Obama is an apostate?Last edited by Ramo; May 30, 2008, 11:45."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I guess you're referring to me then? My concern has been misrepresentation of the Muslim perspective, not Obama. Like Arrian, I've defended him elsewhere, but this thread was not about that.
Wasn't really directed towards you sorry you took offense."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Originally posted by Heraclitus
No I don't know any muslims that think that but what relevance does this have? I only know one Muslim and he dosen't even practice the religion anymore.
You know me... that's two!“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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This is a pretty interesting question, and there are some other related questions due to his complicated history. What with the largest muslim country being Indonesia and his time living in the country, etc. I would be interested in finding out whether he knows how to speak Indonesian.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Heh. I was 50/50 on whether or not it was directed at me. Since your post immediatedly followed mine...Originally posted by Sprayber
Wasn't really directed towards you sorry you took offense.
I think you were right in that the only people who this might bother are the ones who already hate us enough to kill anyway. It just intrigues me how people consider him the coming of a new man in Washington when I don't really see anything new in him.
Anyway, I've seen soooooo many claims by people on the 'net about how Obama supporters are drinking kool-aid, cultists, etc., that I went straight to defense.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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As stated prior by others.
Bush is already the great Satan. I don't see how anybody else could be considered worse. So as much as I'd like to jump on this one use it as another excuse to sway others not to vote for him, I don't see this as being meaningful in any way.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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