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Originally posted by TheStinger
no one sensible in the muslim world will think Obama is an apostate, including the Iraninans
no one sensible in the muslim world will think Obama is an apostate, including the Iraninans
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Why not? By law he is.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila -
Sorry I was wrong, his father was Muslim, making the case for Obama even stronger.Originally posted by germanos
And this is all the proof you need?
Obama seniorModern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I'll do better.Originally posted by germanos
Now, answer my question: Make your case citing Sharia Law why Obama needs to die.
"Whosoever turns back from his belief (irtada), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel". Verse [Qur'an 4:88]
The 20th century theologian Abul Ala MaududiIn any case the heart of the matter is that children born of Muslim lineage will be considered Muslims and according to Islamic law the door of apostasy will never be opened to them. If anyone of them renounces Islam, he will be as deserving of execution as the person who has renounced kufr to become a Muslim and again has chosen the way of kufr. All the jurists of Islam agree with this decision. On this topic absolutely no difference exists among the experts of shari'ah.
Last edited by Heraclitus; May 30, 2008, 05:52.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Do you know an actual Muslim who says these ridiculous things that you're attributing to them?
I should add that even if Obama's father were a Muslim (he was an atheist), and even if you choose the most conservative interpretation of Islamic law possible, it's completely nullified due to the fact that his father left him and his mother (so religious jurisdiction defaults to her, a non-Muslim)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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So I was right?Originally posted by Ramo
I should add that even if Obama's father were a Muslim (he was an atheist)
Sorry misread it at first, in any case his father is considered a Muslim by law.His father, Hussein Onyango Obama (c. 1895-1979),[1] belonged to the Luo tribe. Before working as a cook for missionaries in Nairobi, Onyango had travelled widely, enlisting in the British colonial forces during World War I and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam and added Hussein to his name.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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What are you talking about? That's Obama's grandfather."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Sorry misread the wiki at first, I'm gald to know my original information was correct despite what some claimed.Originally posted by Ramo
What are you talking about? That's Obama's grandfather.
BTW His father could not legally leave Islam. It is a well established fact that there is no legal way to leave Islam. You can only leave Islam if you somehow manage to convince the Judge you where never really Muslim, and only if you converted to it from another faith, not if you where born into Islam, and again that is a very very liberal interpretation, it makes news when it happens.Last edited by Heraclitus; May 30, 2008, 06:01.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I repeat, do you know an actual Muslim who believes the nonsense that you're attributing to them?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yes I do, and its in the original post.Originally posted by Ramo
I repeat, do you know an actual Muslim who believes the nonsense that you're attributing to them?
The 20th century theologian Abul Ala Maududi
And yes it is nonsense but it is a mainstream part of Islam.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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BTW Should Obama deny he ever was a Moslem (which I would be inclined to belive), it will compound the problem in the eyes of Moslems. He was born of a Moslem father, raised by a Moslem stepfather, and received his first education at a Moslem school. That he later went to a Catholic school in Jakarta before living with his mother’s parents back in Honolulu makes little difference. In the eyes of Sharia and most belivers, he originally was a Moslem. How can they not consider him such in those eyes, with a Koranic first name and his middle name that of the grandson of Mohammed?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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In Iran you can be an active muslim and convert to christianity, if you don't go shouting about it you won't get any problems from the authoritiesSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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I was speaking, personally. That's the argument, after all. Not what some fringe whackjob believes, but how Muslims in general perceive his candidacy.Yes I do, and its in the original post.
The 20th century theologian Abul Ala Maududi
And yes it is nonsense but it is a mainstream part of Islam.
And I still don't see where he called Obama an apostate.
Again, do you personally know any Muslim who believes this nonsense?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by TheStinger
In Iran you can be an active muslim and convert to christianity, if you don't go shouting about it you won't get any problems from the authorities
You do realise how antithetical that is to freedom of religion? Its ok you can be a Christian just be quiet about it.
I'm sure in medeival Europe you could convert to Judaism, and if you didn't go around shouting about it you wouldn't get any problems from the authorities.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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He didn't I was just attirbuting the quote to him, since you asked where the quote was from.Originally posted by Ramo
And I still don't see where he called Obama an apostate.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I didn't ask that. Will you answer my actual question?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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