A question for dutch speakers! Quick!

[Heresson]

I need that for exam, which I have tomorrow.

htf do You pronounce:

- Gysbrechts
- Abraham Hendriksz van Beyeren
- Floris van Schooten
- Willem van Aelst

also, how do You pronounce ij thing?

Please help

[Heresson]

I will check it again in teh morning, and I expect teh answer

[Locutus]

Pronunciation-wise, ij = Dutch ei ~= German ei (mein/dein/sein). In non-'computerised' form ij is actually one letter (basically y + umlaut) that replaces the y in the Dutch alphabet (except in foreign loan words, of which the Dutch language has many).

Pronunciation of those names (and the letter ij):

(edit: dammit, we don't support mp3 attachments, need to fix that, zipped it up in the mean time)

[germanos]

Re: A question for dutch speakers! Quick!

Originally posted by Heresson

- Gysbrechts

Please help

You're screwed buddy

Forget about the 'ij', no way you'll be able to pronounce that.

Are you studying for your 'inburgeringscursus'?

[BeBMan]

When needing something for an exam or so, never ask for help or even start to learn stuff until it's the day before you're going to need it

[Mercator]

Hmmm, looks like those are all Dutch baroque-era painters. I hadn't heard of any of them.

Originally posted by Locutus
In non-'computerised' form ij is actually one letter (basically y + umlaut) that replaces the y in the Dutch alphabet (except in foreign loan words, of which the Dutch language has many).

That's debatable. And it's certainly not "y + umlaut" though it slightly resembles that. It's more of a ligature, certainly historically speaking, since it was originally two i's.

[Zopperoni]

Re: Re: A question for dutch speakers! Quick!

Originally posted by germanos
Forget about the 'ij', no way you'll be able to pronounce that.

And we haven't even covered "ui" and "eu" yet

[Traianvs]

As one of the few Flemish Dutch speakers, I have to note that the "ij" should not really be pronounced like the German mein/dein/sein. Them northern cheese-eaters pronounce it a bit like that because they are jealous of their powerful eastern neighbours and attempt to imitate them

They also pronounce a "g" exactly like a "ch"


It's pointless to even try anyway. Simply pronounce it all like an Englishman would.

Btw Locutus, aren't you from Limburg? Your Dutch is still somewhat okay

[germanos]

Originally posted by Traianvs

Btw Locutus, aren't you from Limburg? Your Dutch is still somewhat okay

Ouch!

Take a look at his avatar

[Locutus]

Re: Re: A question for dutch speakers! Quick!

Originally posted by germanos
Forget about the 'ij', no way you'll be able to pronounce that.

I think anyone who lived in Syria for a while (and presumably made at least a token effort to learn Arabic) should find learning Dutch a casual stroll in the park

Originally posted by Mercator
That's debatable. And it's certainly not "y + umlaut" though it slightly resembles that. It's more of a ligature, certainly historically speaking, since it was originally two i's.

I know quite well it's not an umlaut, but that's the easiest way to explain it to those durn furriners without resorting to a full lecture on Dutch historo-linguistics

As one of the few Flemish Dutch speakers

Heresson wasn't asking about speech impediments, he was asking about Dutch

[germanos]

Re: Re: Re: A question for dutch speakers! Quick!

Originally posted by Locutus


I think anyone who lived in Syria for a while (and presumably made at least a token effort to learn Arabic) should find learning Dutch a casual stroll in the park

When I left Beirut, I went to my last 'arabic-for-expats' class with an egg, an onion and a Gouda cheese. It was a great time seeing the teacher with a knot in her tongue for a change

[Maniac]

- Geisbrechts
- Aabraham Hendrieks van Beiurun
- Floories van Schootun
- Willem van Aalst

[Traianvs]

Bollox

phonetically this is it:

[ãåisbrå÷ts]
[abráham håndrɪks ván båiərən]
...
edit: okay, forum doesn't allow the symbols :/


OH

Heresson wasn't asking about speech impediments, he was asking about Dutch

That's funny, seeing the Dutch have been massacring Dutch over the last 30-40 years or so.

v => f
w => v
g => ch
s => sj
z => sj (not quite like the above letter yet, but give it another few decades)

next: for some odd reason 7 (or 'zeven') is pronounced sjeuven
the r is becoming this odd guttural sound (much resembling the American r imo)
Dutch nearly always overexaggerate the pronounciation of the diphtongs. This is hard to explain forumwise so nvm.
Most importantly: all Dutch write with at least 1 spelling mistake / 3 sentences, with a 50% probability of it being a d/t mistake.

[alva]

/me sees alot of potential in this thread and will keep a close eye on it.

[Zopperoni]

Originally posted by Traianvs
Most importantly: all Dutch write with at least 1 spelling mistake / 3 sentences, with a 50% probability of it being a d/t mistake.

I recognize this, and it's really sad The worst I think I've ever seen was someone writing "kwalitijd"

Oh well, no surprise the Belgians usually win "Het Groot Dictee der Nederlandse Taal" or at "10 voor Taal"