The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

[Berzerker]

That possible shift was met with disappointment from Olson. While he said he'll fall in line with whatever change may occur, "I still have my beliefs."

The kids and their parents dont have beliefs? You like the Pledge so much, you're free to recite every day. And they're free to ignore it and your beliefs. Another patriotic vet who fought for our freedom to do what he says.

Whenever I have debates over the Pledge I'm always told kids aren't punished for refusing.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Berzerker


The kids and their parents dont have beliefs? You like the Pledge so much, you're free to recite every day. And they're free to ignore it and your beliefs. Another patriotic vet who fought for our freedom to do what he says.

Whenever I have debates over the Pledge I'm always told kids aren't punished for refusing.

I added the bold

Exactly. You'd think the stupid ***** would know better. In my experience it's usually those that aren't willing to defend their country who are the first to take our rights.

[snoopy369]

Free speech does not apply in the classroom; this sort of **** disgusts me. Stand up and recite the ******* pledge of allegiance when you're told to...

[Verto]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Free speech does not apply in the classroom; this sort of **** disgusts me. Stand up and recite the ******* pledge of allegiance when you're told to...

I would tell you to "f*ck off, nazi!" if I weren't so polite

[snoopy369]

Eighth graders do not have the right to not stand up when told to. It's called 'school', not 'playtime'. Playtime's over.

[Kataphraktoi]

I agree with snoop and not just because im\he's trolling

And if you really cant pledge your allegiance to the country, if not the government, then revoke your citizenship and stop enjoying all the benefits

[Verto]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
I agree with snoop and not just because im\he's trolling

And if you really cant pledge your allegiance to the country, if not the government, then revoke your citizenship and stop enjoying all the benefits

You're expecting an honest, meaningful pledge of allegiance from a bunch of 8th graders? People who are too young to drive, too young to vote, too young to work, too young to drink? If anything, reciting the pledge like this robs it of any significance or honor.

Eighth graders do not have the right to not stand up when told to. It's called 'school', not 'playtime'. Playtime's over.

By punishing the students, the schools are simply adding fuel to a fire. Other students will join in for the "rebel" factor, like making cigs illegal to those under 18, or criminalizing marijuana.

[snoopy369]

I'm not actually trolling, no. I believe you do what you're told in school. If the school is telling inappropriate things, then the duly elected school board replaces the folks in school; otherwise, do what they ****ing tell you.

Students that rebel, get punished. It's how it should work. Everyone rebels; then learns to pay the consequences of their actions. That's called life. That argument is idiotic, and would lead to the logical conclusion of making everything legal (murder, rape, etc.)

That is the troll here...

[Maniac]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

I would take offense to the words "under God" and "indivisible". That denies free speech to atheists and regions who want more autonomy.

[snoopy369]

1. Free speech is not applicable in the school.

2. They did not require them to say the pledge, just to stand in respect. There will be hundreds of times you have to be respectful when you'd rather not be in life; if this is the worst, you live a rather charmed life Consider it a life lesson.

3. Regions that want more autonomy are free to secede. Go ahead. Try it. You'll find out that indivisible is a fact, not a belief

[Hauptman]

If any reference to GOD offends you, move to china. Your tone will shurely change soon after.

Indivisible means the states are apart of the union.. period. They are free to make their own laws (and do)

[Colon™]

Originally posted by snoopy369
3. Regions that want more autonomy are free to secede.

Uhm, no.

[Berzerker]

1. Free speech is not applicable in the school.

It aint about free speech, its about religious freedom. The state has no business coercing children into pledging allegiance to the state's God.

If any reference to GOD offends you, move to china. Your tone will shurely change soon after.

That aint even logical, the Chinese are atheists.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Hauptman
If any reference to GOD offends you, move to china. Your tone will shurely change soon after.

Indivisible means the states are apart of the union.. period. They are free to make their own laws (and do)

Who are you?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Colon™
Uhm, no.

You probably should have kept reading that line.