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McCain-Romney would actually make me consider my voting options again.
And that's not a good thing (for him).
And that's not a good thing (for him).
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After seeing Romney waste so of his own money, I don't think I can trust him with taxpayer dollars.Originally posted by Alexander I
He's actually got experience in economics! That's more than can be said for any of our current candidates. We need somebody who can help dig us out of this economic hole we're in!USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Haha, there's still plenty more where that came from.Originally posted by Will
After seeing Romney waste so of his own money, I don't think I can trust him with taxpayer dollars.
The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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Um... isn't Romney's exactly like Hillary's basically?
Definitely not. Obama's and Clinton's plans are far more similar than the MA system (Romney backed away from that plan during the primaries) and Clinton's. The MA plan, for instance, doesn't try standardize the health insurance marketplace or create a public insurer.
But Clinton's plan is, of course, well to the right of virtually every OECD country."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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McCain's plan (or lack thereof) > Obama's plan > Romney/HillarycareOriginally posted by Alexander I
What's better? McCain's health care plan? Yeah, we hear a lot of people talking about that one. Right.
Or Obama's or Hillary's socialist crap? Wow, I'm excited for the future.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
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Yep.Originally posted by Ramo
Um... isn't Romney's exactly like Hillary's basically?
Definitely not. Obama's and Clinton's plans are far more similar than the MA system (Romney backed away from that plan during the primaries) and Clinton's. The MA plan, for instance, doesn't try standardize the health insurance marketplace or create a public insurer.
But Clinton's plan is, of course, well to the right of virtually every OECD country.
The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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McCain's plan (or lack thereof) > Obama's plan > Romney/Hillarycare
McCain wants to give people fixed tax breaks for health insurance. Thus, encouraging high deductible, low premium insurance where the middle class doesn't get the preventative care that keeps long-term costs down. And not doing anything for the poor. And the rich get another tax break. Yay, McCain.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yep.
I should emphasize, again, that the Clinton (or Obama - who's slightly to the right of her on this issue) plan is well to the right of basically every developed state. It's only socialism using a very silly definition."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Indeed. Maybe it's just me, but personally I find socialism especially scary.Originally posted by Ramo
Yep.
I should emphasize, again, that the Clinton (or Obama - who's slightly to the right of her on this issue) plan is well to the right of basically every developed state. It's only socialism using a very silly definition.The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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I think there's a disconnect here..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Only if you don't get my meaning.Originally posted by Ramo
I think there's a disconnect here...
The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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Frankly I think we either need to go socialized or go nothing (perhaps improve medicaid + medicare, but nothing more). All of these half-assed solutions are about the worst possible world...<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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snoopy, the idea behind the Clinton/Obama plans is that the public insurer would naturally become a quasi-monopoly, due to its efficiencies. In other words, it's Medicare for all, but in the most politically acceptable way of getting there."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by LordShiva
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... Like I said, i'd rather go all the way rather than do it half-assed. Rather than using a poor system that would not improve things adequately (and might make things worse - if not would), and delude ourselves into thinking we are not going for socialized medicine, just decide:Originally posted by Ramo
snoopy, the idea behind the Clinton/Obama plans is that the public insurer would naturally become a quasi-monopoly, due to its efficiencies. In other words, it's Medicare for all, but in the most politically acceptable way of getting there.
"Do we think that healthcare should be publicly provided to all via taxpayer money, or not?"
Have one big national vote, and if we say "Yes", then socialized medicine; if we say "No", then leave it alone.
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