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  • What I like to believe? Yer just giving me the same argument Imran, I already know humans are social critters. That doesn't change the fact you are an independent actor. If you die - YOU die. Society aint goin with ya.


    And I meant what I said when I said you are only an individual actor within the societal framework. If you die, you alone die, but your entire life exists within a society and based on rules and norms created by those societies.

    It aint a prize, its a claim backed by morality. If you and I were the only people in the world and we met and I tried to kill you, would you be justified in defending yourself? That justification is a valid claim of moral authority to defend your natural right to live.


    Me feeling justified to defend myself and that turning into a "valid claim of moral authority" is a jump in logic that doesn't fit. If we were the only two people in the world and you feel that you were justified in killing me, does that give you a valid claim of moral authority? What's the difference?

    The valid claim of moral authority that wins out in the battle turns out to the be "correct" one.

    The French didn't have nukes, we do


    The US MILITARY has nukes, not the citizenry. So, its like I said, people don't invade because of our military, not because our citizenry is armed. Our citizenry owns rifles, handguns, etc.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
      I like how it's taken as a given that the Chinese are going to invade. Just like 50 years ago it was the Germans were literally on our doorstep. And then during the Cold War the Russkies were right off the shores ready to paratroop into our high schools.
      I think only Berz believes that.

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      • Originally posted by Kuciwalker


        I think only Berz believes that.
        And Patrick Swayze, shurely?
        "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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        • I'm guessing all Swayze is believing in is a good oncologist.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • Don't forget his motivational self-help books and tapes - "look through the mirror, and overcome love and fear".
            "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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