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    WASHINGTON - States can require voters to produce photo identification, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, upholding a Republican-inspired law that Democrats say will keep some poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots.
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    Twenty-five states require some form of ID, and the court's 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana's strict voter ID law could encourage others to adopt their own measures. Oklahoma legislators said the decision should help them get a version approved.

    The ruling means the ID requirement will be in effect for next week's presidential primary in Indiana, where a significant number of new voters are expected to turn out for the Democratic contest between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

    The results could say something about the effect of the law, either because a large number of voters will lack identification and be forced to cast provisional ballots or because the number turns out to be small.

    Supporters of the law say it's all about preventing fraud.

    Indiana has a "valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" said Justice John Paul Stevens in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Anthony Kennedy.

    Stevens said that Indiana's desire to prevent fraud and to inspire voter confidence in the election system are important even though there have been no reports of the kind of fraud the law was designed to combat. Evidence of voters being inconvenienced by the law's requirements also is scant. For the overwhelming majority of voters, an Indiana driver's license serves as the identification.

    The law does not apply to absentee balloting, where election experts agree the threat of fraud is higher.

    The Indiana law was passed in 2005. Democrats and civil rights groups opposed it as unconstitutional and called it a thinly veiled effort to discourage groups of voters who tend to prefer Democrats.

    It was in effect during the 2006 elections when Democrats picked up three congressional seats in Indiana and won control of the state House of Representatives.

    Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome Monday, but wrote separately in favor of a broader defense of voter ID laws.

    "The universally applicable requirements of Indiana's voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting,'" Scalia said.

    Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.

    Indiana's voter ID law "threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state's citizens," Souter said.

    The targets of the law, he said, are "voters who are poor and old."

    Yet Stevens wrote that the law does not single out groups of voters for different treatment. "We cannot conclude that the statute imposes 'excessively burdensome requirements' on any class of voters," he said. That opinion suggested the outcome could be different in a state where voters could provide evidence that their rights had been impaired.

    Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.

    Stevens said these provisions also help reduce the burden on people who lack driver's licenses.

    Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita, a Republican, praised the decision. "This says to the voter you can have confidence again in the elections because we're doing some of the things the guy at the video store does when you go and rent a video," Rokita said.

    Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said the court was willing to burden "tens of thousands of eligible voters who lack a government-issued identification while accepting at face value Indiana's unsubstantiated claim of voter fraud." The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

    The proliferation of voter ID laws followed the enactment in 2002 of the federal Help America Vote Act. The law was designed in response to the disputed 2000 presidential election. The law's voter ID provisions apply to first-time voters and do not mandate photo identification.

    Many Democrats criticized the ruling Monday. It places "an unnecessary burden on elderly and low-income voters, not to mention other voters of disparate racial and ethnic backgrounds," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

    Mary Wilson, president of the League of Women Voters, said her group has never found a problem with in-person voter fraud. "We'd be the first ones out there to prevent voter fraud, if there really was a problem," she said.

    Several critics pointed to a footnote in Stevens' opinion to show how far back he went — 140 years — to describe the corrosive effects of widespread fraud at polling places, a reference to Boss Tweed's influence in New York's municipal elections in 1868.

    Republicans, meanwhile, praised the decision for recognizing the threat of voter fraud. "Today's ruling rightfully allows states to safeguard against such destructive abuse," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio.

    In Oklahoma, Republican legislators said the ruling should help them pass a less-stringent voter ID bill. The Oklahoma House has approved legislation to require voters to present some form of identification — including a utility bill or bank statement. The measure faces a final vote by the state Senate.

    Monday's case was the court's first significant foray into election law since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush. The voter ID ruling, with no majority opinion and four of the nine justices writing, lacked the conservative-liberal split that marked the 2000 case.

    The consolidated cases are Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 07-21, and Indiana Democratic Party v. Rokita, 07-25.
    Agree with the ruling or the dissent?

    Personally, I'm a bit disturbed that people used to be able to vote with just the voter card and no ID, so I'm all in favor of this. A picture ID is quite easy to get and its not an unreasonable restraint, imo, to better protect the integrity of the process.

    I suppose the argument by the ACLU is that some people might not be able to locate documents to give to the licensing branch, ie, moved and no birth certificate, or way too old.

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    I agree as long as free picture ID is provided and that accessabilty to acquiring one is made exceedingly easy and free from any forms of intimidation.
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    • #3
      I agree with this, so long as it's available to the poor and minorities of course. I'm not sure how I feel about the 'free' part - most IDs have a negligible cost to them ($7 every 5 years, in IL, I believe) but that's nonzero; I probably would support making the basic ID free, unless there was a negative I'm not aware of here (fraud being easier with free ID, for example).
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      • #4
        How are the dead supposed to cast their ballots now!!@!?

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        • #5
          Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.


          In this case, I'm not sure how this could really be objected to.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.


            In this case, I'm not sure how this could really be objected to.
            Which surprises me that it even had to go up to the sup court. I guess it was a good case to set a precedent on.

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            • #7
              Yeah, I think they wanted to settle the issue of requiring ID and Indiana's was the "best law" to use in deciding the Constitutional issues.
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              • #8
                I do know that people who get DUIs and other offenses have their ids taken away by the cops right there on the scene before they're even officially convicted of anything. Essentially this means those people would lose their right to vote or fly on an airplane before they've ever even been convicted of anything in a court of law. That doesn't seem fair to me.
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                • #9
                  Unless cops are taking away other forms of ID as well as drivers licenses your concerns are completely addressed by providing the free alternate picture ID/s for voting purposes. Free IDs provided for voting purposes supplant the need for drivers licenses at the voting booth. Although drivers licenses are valid forms of picture ID if desired.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    I do know that people who get DUIs and other offenses have their ids taken away by the cops right there on the scene before they're even officially convicted of anything. Essentially this means those people would lose their right to vote or fly on an airplane before they've ever even been convicted of anything in a court of law. That doesn't seem fair to me.

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                    • #11
                      WTF, you can vote without any ID in the US?
                      So I could come to the States as a tourist this November, stroll into the school or wherever you place your voting booths, get a ballot and vote?
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                      • #12
                        Some states, basically Republican ones, claim that noncitizen illegal aliens are voting in massive numbers. The claims generally don't match with reality but they have a point that only citizens get to vote. The real motivation though is that nonwhites mostly don't vote for Republicans so they want to more difficult for nonwhites to vote. Plus it is an issue which gets the red necks worked up and political parties try to find issues to motivate voters to actually turn up and vote instead of just going to the bar after work.
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                        • #13
                          let me get this straight. you register to vote and get a card that supposedly proves you identification but doesnt even have a photo on it?
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                          • #14
                            No.
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                            • #15
                              explain then
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