Imperialism is Capitalism

[Ecthy]

Or is it Bolivia, whatever.

Heraclitus, when did you become... develop this kind of... theory...?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Never said they were equivalent, you assumed that. I said we can only categorize them according to complexity and that is something completely different. Now if you are not sure what I mean by this you can ask me to explain further; slowly.

Just out of curiousity, how would you propose that we "categorize" myriad social systems based on the sole variable of "complexity"? Would it be by measuring the number of social "transactions" (define that term however you wish) in a given space or per capita during a given period of time? Or something else?

And supposing that you did manage to devise such an elaborate test with which to establish a hierarchy showing how much more "complex" some systems are than others, what would that prove? It might show correlation, but not necessarily causation; one system's "complexity" might be merely the incidental result of its underlying ideology, rather than the other way around...

I'm just finding it hard to see what your ultimate point is, even if I suppose that your basic premise is correct.

[Barnabas]

I am not colombian

And I get all the education I need from ancestral cocaine plants!

[Ecthy]

Heraclitorus, maybe you want to start with a reference to some established social science to begin with a discussion. This way yoi could get rid of KH as well - or make him insult you even worse.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Heraclitorus, maybe you want to start with a reference to some established social science to begin with a discussion. This way you could get rid of KH as well - or make him insult you even worse.

Of course it would be the latter result... social "science"

[KrazyHorse]

Two world wars and one world cup....

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I have no need to convince you of it.

You are completely right on this point, you only need me and all others around you to appear as intellectually inadequate as possible to help you cope with a deep routed superiority/inferiority complex.

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Are you unaware of what "is" means in the English language? The question of whether Noun A "is" Noun B is one of equivalence pure and simple. Not whether or not you can group them together under some larger heading such as "sociological concepts Heraclitus claims have the same degree of complexity".

You are now just mixing stuff up, the whole complexity thing was more or less off topic, there is only a slight link the one where I touched on transitory states. The title refers to whether imperialism is (late) stage capitalism. And that is a matter of equivalence so I think is is appropriate, don't you?



Osel zabit.

[Ecthy]

There we go again, Canada doesn't even take part in any relevant football events, good night.

@ Darius: what you just did in the above post, don't you think that people can do that for their lives, and better?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ecthy
@ Darius: what you just did in the above post, don't you think that people can do that for their lives, and better?

Who would want to make concise ridicule of the social sciences' practical value their life's work?

(Then again, I guess the postmodernists do exactly that for a living, minus the part about being concise...)

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Or is it Bolivia, whatever.

Heraclitus, when did you become... develop this kind of... theory...?

Not quite sure what you mean become... also I wouldn't call it a theory yet, more a hypothesis.

Originally posted by Ecthy
Heraclitorus, maybe you want to start with a reference to some established social science to begin with a discussion. This way yoi could get rid of KH as well - or make him insult you even worse.

You are right a few references are in order. I'll dig a few up in the morning. In any case referencing people is dangerus if you haven't read all that they have written.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sandman
I voted false. For every economically worthwhile empire, there's been an economically worthless one. German and Italian Africa, for example. You could argue that capitalists benefitted from these empires (armaments manufacters, rabble-rousing press barons), but the real beneficiaries were militarists who took some capitalists along for the ride. In any country with a halfway capitalist economy, some businessman is always going to benefit from economic misdirection.

From Lenin

“In 1893,” writes Hobson, “the British capital invested abroad represented about 15 per cent of the total wealth of the United Kingdom.” Let me remind the reader that by 1915 this capital had increased about two and a half times. “Aggressive imperialism,” says Hobson further on, “which costs the tax-payer so dear, which is of so little value to the manufacturer and trader ... is a source of great gain to the investor.... The annual income Great Britain derives from commissions in her whole foreign and colonial trade, import and export, is estimated by Sir R.Giffen at £18,000,000 (nearly 170 million rubles] for 1899, taken at 2 1/2 per cent, upon a turnover of £800,000,000.” Great as this sum is, it cannot explain the aggressive imperialism of Great Britain, which is explained by the income of £90 million to £100 million from “invested” capital, the income of the rentiers.

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


That might have been the single greatest moment in Apolyton history. The thread got up to 500 posts in ~24 hours.

Nah...
We had a thread(while you were Lurking or Gone away) made by Oerdin about a 48inch pizza that he bought... I think I never ever laugh so hard while reading a thread.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
You are now just mixing stuff up, the whole complexity thing was more or less off topic, there is only a slight link the one where I touched on transitory states. The title refers to whether imperialism is (late) stage capitalism. And that is a matter of equivalence so I think is is appropriate, don't you?



Osel zabit.

Then what the **** did you mean by this:

the only possible way to categories them is according the how complex a system they can form.

[CrONoS]

By the way KH; if you want to have 3 thread by day; I can sell one of mine. I rarely use my 2 thread/day.

PM for my price.

[KrazyHorse]

No thanks. I've got a low time discount rate.