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America = 20th Century, Rest of World = 21st Century
I mean honestly, do you have any intellectual integrity at all?
The main question is did he have any to begin with?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Another American metro station that is the equivalent or better than Singapore's...
That is LA
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.
I would never use LA as an example of anything in a discussion about good looking cities or sufficient public infrastructure.
As for the NY Subway, it ain't pretty, but it is damned usefull. More importantly, it runs 24 hours a day. Sure, you wait 20-30 minutes for a train at 4AM, but then the ride is relatively fast.
If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
The problem with Singapore is that it is all new. Someday, it will be all old.
Also, all that dictatorship stuff doesn't really suit me.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
I've been to Chicago, and didn't particularly like it, but I found Fozzy's reaction to the picture of Singapore's Malaysian slum hilarious. "But that's not Singapore!"
One of the things I didn't like about Chicago was the view, looking outward from the city. Low-level warehouses and other industrial/commercial buildings & billboards, as far as the eye can see. Yuck. But that's not Chicago!!!
Our cities are pretty crappy. They are often dirty and crime-ridden. They're poor. Some of them are coming back, though. It may be that higher fuel costs will reverse the trend to suburbia/exurbia. Maybe. There is also the space issue - Singapore is tiny. The US is vast.
-Arrian
p.s. Agathon talking up Singapore to troll Americans... comedy gold.
Let me guess Provost, you saw the mistake I made with the picture and without bothering to read the rest of the posts thereafter, you quickly posted to correct me, when I had clearly stated, probably even twice, that I made the mistake.
And Pat here, keeps making the same mistake over and over, and I seem to be the only one thinking he is a fool - probably because I am one of the very few who KNOW what city that is.
And I have told Pat many times that the picture he keeps posting is not Singapore, it is in Malaysia, it is not a suburb of Singapore, that's like saying Toronto is a suburb of America. (let the jokes begin), but its true. Rufus has made a slight misconception there. I know JB very very well, I know Singapore very very well; Singapore couldn't give a rats ass what happens to JB; and yet look in the background of Pat's picture of JB, tall commercial buildings? So far away from KL? This doesn't make sense, or maybe it's the Singaporeans who shop there every now and then to get away from the city that boost the economy?
Also, a note about Singapore's "dictatorship", the freedom I have here FEELS the same as in New Zealand and Australia - which is more than America. I hardly think America has the freedom nowadays it once did.
Actually, Frosty, that picture is London. You are wrong.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Pat, the pic of that train station is good, that is AT LEAST the kind of infrastructure I would have expected from America. And the point of this entire thread is that major cities such as Chicago and NY have not done enough to keep their city looking clean and upgraded - maybe the locals like it, but it doesn't look good for tourists, a major industry for these two cities right?
I also have the belief that a clean, nice, upgraded city boasts well for the moral of the people - lowering crime.
Originally posted by FrostyBoy
I also have the belief that a clean, nice, upgraded city boasts well for the moral of the people - lowering crime.
Singapore keeps crime low thanks to teh fear instilled by its police-state atmosphere and ridiculously harsh penalties for minor crimes
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