California court strikes a blow for children; homeschooling virtually outlawed.

[Dinner]

You ever been to a school in California, Jon? I went to them for 13 years then went to a state university and I can honestly say the schools were great. Something like 80% of my graduating class went to college many, like me, to difficult to get into colleges.

[Jon Miller]

Maybe you lucked out?

I thought that people posted that Cali schools weren't good.

My experience with public school (Oregon) is that 40% graduate and 4 years after that only ~5% of those that graduated highschool graduated college (others had went, but failed out). No one (not even myself) went to a great school, although my school was good.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Unless all schools in california have graduation rates above 80% (After 4 years) then this law is a terrible one for the children.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


It did before Reagan and the following governors began cutting funding for education. We fell from No. 1 in the nation to Number 49. Under Gray Davis, we clawed back to No. 45, but with Arnold we're back down to 48.

Hmm, actually, it looks like Cali's schools are ****ty, as I thought.

Dooming 100k of kids to a ****ty education when they were getting a good one (the vast majority of homeschool educations are good ones, in california, the same can't be said about public school educations)

JM

[Jon Miller]

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/profile.asp

California is still 10 points below the country average. Homeschooled students score 10-20 points above the national average.

Why are you cheering dooms 1000s of students to a piss poor educaiton?

JM

[Kidlicious]

California schools are very bad because of California. California has changed very much over the last few decades. They don't care about education as much, at least not most of them.

(I say them because I've moved btw, but I still think of myself as one)

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


Hmm, actually, it looks like Cali's schools are ****ty, as I thought.

Dude, How many times do I have to tell you? Pet Wilson, the former Republican governor, made it his signature issue to eliminate most state standards because he wanted to "push it down to the local level". He cut the school districts free to decide for themselves and many, maybe a majority, just decided to have no standards at all. It's what you call a failure of over site which is the main problem with most Republican ideals.

There really is no state standard so you have to compare district by district. Some of which are among the best in the country (San Jose, Poway, Ranch Santa Fe) and some suck (LA, Oakland, etc...) virtually every district has magnet schools in them though which get high ratings and which are free to parents.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/profile.asp

California is still 10 points below the country average. Homeschooled students score 10-20 points above the national average.

Why are you cheering dooms 1000s of students to a piss poor educaiton?

JM

The basic rule of thumb is large urban districts with high immigration rates do poorly, white suburbs do well, rural areas middle to low depending on how far out they are. When 40% of the school age population is in LA then that one poor performing urban district drags the whole state average down. Go out of LA and other such places and the schools are good to great.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Dude, How many times do I have to tell you? Pet Wilson, the former Republican governor, made it his signature issue to eliminate most state standards because he wanted to "push it down to the local level". He cut the school districts free to decide for themselves and many, maybe a majority, just decided to have no standards at all. It's what you call a failure of over site which is the main problem with most Republican ideals.

There really is no state standard so you have to compare district by district. Some of which are among the best in the country (San Jose, Poway, Ranch Santa Fe) and some suck (LA, Oakland, etc...) virtually every district has magnet schools in them though which get high ratings and which are free to parents.

I don't think that was the worst problem. The worst problem was the whole language movement that finally got replaced. That created a whole generation of students that failed school horribly as a result. It's hard to recover from that until you can retrain students from kindergarten with better teaching methods.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Unless all schools in california have graduation rates above 80% (After 4 years) then this law is a terrible one for the children.

JM

You have to remember that most of the drop outs are either immigrant kids or inner city kids. Drugs and gangs are the main problems that lead to dropping out.

The persistent drive to underfund education and underpay teachers also adds to the problem.

But all this law does is require children to be taught by someone who is qualified to teach. Why are you against that?

[Kuciwalker]

But all this law does is require children to be taught by someone who is qualified to teach. Why are you against that?

No, this law requires children to be taught by someone that has been certified as qualified to teach. Not just that - certified as qualified to teach an entire classroom full of students. That's very, very distant from "qualified to teach your own child."

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


You have to remember that most of the drop outs are either immigrant kids or inner city kids. Drugs and gangs are the main problems that lead to dropping out.

The persistent drive to underfund education and underpay teachers also adds to the problem.

But all this law does is require children to be taught by someone who is qualified to teach. Why are you against that?

It requires that the homeschooled gets are taught by a certified teacher. Which is a huge hassle to get and must be maintained.

Basically, it means that they would have to be such that they could be working at the local public school.

Why not just focus on the small percent of time that homeschool fails (less then 25% of the time) rather then forcing every parent who wishes to homeschool their kids to treat it like a full time job. This would be far better then force the 1000s of homeschooled kids into the public school system which fails 40+% of the time.

JM

[MJW]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


You have to remember that most of the drop outs are either immigrant kids or inner city kids. Drugs and gangs are the main problems that lead to dropping out.

The persistent drive to underfund education and underpay teachers also adds to the problem.

But all this law does is require children to be taught by someone who is qualified to teach. Why are you against that?

People like you are annoying.

[Lancer]

I can confirm that.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by MJW
People like you are annoying.

I wuv you too.