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  • EU forces feudalism to end on Channal Islands.

    It's kind of sad in a way; the people of Sark liked their ancient feudal system so much that they twice rejected EU orders to change it since 2000. So much for one of the last hold outs of the medieval system.

    Sark agrees switch to democracy
    Politicians in the Channel Island of Sark have agreed to end the island's feudal system of government which has been in place for the past 450 years.

    Governing body, the Chief Pleas, has approved new reform laws which will lead to the introduction of a 28-member elected chamber.

    Elections under the new constitution will be held in December.

    Sark, 80 miles off the south coast, had been governed by a mix of landowners and elected people's deputies.

    'Great relief'

    There was pressure on Sark to reform its feudal constitution to comply with the European Human Rights laws and other international obligations.

    Owners of the island's 40 tenements (divisions of land) currently have an automatic seat in the Chief Pleas, and islanders chose 12 people's deputies.

    The first new assembly of Chief Pleas will take place in January next year.

    Deputy Paul Armorgie said: "It's a great relief.

    "We have been trying to achieve this for 10 years and now a line has been drawn.

    "Sark is finally moving from feudalism to democracy."

    In its day, Sark had a very democratic system. The settlers ran the island
    Seneshal Lt Col Reg Guille
    Sark, which is only 3 miles (4.8km) long and 1.5 miles (2.4k) wide, has a resident population of about 600.

    Its government can directly trace its roots back to Queen Elizabeth I, who once granted the ruling "Seigner" a fief on the tiny Channel Island.

    The unelected descendents of 40 families brought in to colonise Sark, after the French abandoned it in 1553, have governed life on the island ever since.

    But its feudal system of government started coming under pressure in 2000 in the light of human rights laws.

    Two proposals for reform were rejected in 2005 and 2007 until Thursday night's historic agreement.

    Mr Armogie said: "Ten years ago the mood on the island was that no change was wanted.

    "But Sark had to face up to its international obligations and it became clear that Sark had to move on."

    "It is the passing of an era."

    'Very successful'

    Seneshal Lt Col Reg Guille, who acts as a presiding officer of the Chief Pleas, said the original settlers of the island would be "horrified" at the change.

    He said: "The system of government has proven for our small community to be a very successful way to manage our own affairs.

    "They (the original settlers) would not understand our modern democracy.

    "In its day, Sark had a very democratic system. The settlers ran the island."

    A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice said: "Sark is seeking to reform its feudal constitution in order to make it comply with the European Convention on Human Rights and other international obligations.

    "The UK is responsible for ensuring that Sark's constitution meets those requirements and the UK is vulnerable to challenge if it does not."
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  • #2
    (At first, I thought this was about Santa Catalina.)

    Today Sark; tomorrow, the Duchy of Grand Fenwick

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    • #3
      WTF is a Channal Island?
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        Channel.
        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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        • #5
          Sark

          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            It looks like the world map from an RPG.

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            • #7
              Sark

              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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              • #8
                if it ain't broke then why fix it.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • #9
                  The EU standard is fix everything whither it needs it or not.
                  Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                  • #10
                    The EU is full of Killjoys.

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                    • #11
                      It wasn't an ideal system but it was broadly democratic (well, the feudal lord wasn't exactly elected but other posts were) and it seems like people enjoyed living in a pre-industrial farm based society which had survived for hundreds and hundreds of years.
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
                        The EU is full of Killjoys.
                        Kilroys more like.
                        You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sandman
                          It looks like the world map from an RPG.
                          QFT.

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                          • #14
                            Re: EU forces feudalism to end on Channal Islands.

                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            It's kind of sad in a way; the people of Sark liked their ancient feudal system so much that they twice rejected EU orders to change it since 2000. So much for one of the last hold outs of the medieval system.
                            Eh?

                            A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice said: "Sark is seeking to reform its feudal constitution in order to make it comply with the European Convention on Human Rights and other international obligations.
                            The ECHR isn't the EU. It has never been the EU. If the UK doesn't like its implications it shouldn't have been a co-founder of the Council of Europe.
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                            • #15
                              Re: EU forces feudalism to end on Channal Islands.

                              Originally posted by Oerdin
                              It's kind of sad in a way; the people of Sark liked their ancient feudal system so much that they twice rejected EU orders to change it since 2000. So much for one of the last hold outs of the medieval system.
                              Don't worry for the medieval system, it's alive and well in the middle east.

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