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Originally posted by Wiglaf
.01/10, Mr Penis avatar. Few sunday sermons end with 900 dead.
.01/10, Mr Penis avatar. Few sunday sermons end with 900 dead.
And what do you have against Penis avatars?
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Yeah, but other then that, pretty much the same.
And what do you have against Penis avatars?APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTO -
False. I expressly excluded battlefield deaths in crusades against Muslims, per your own suggestion. You do know that not all crusades were against Muslims, right?Originally posted by Wiglaf
All you have linked is crusades
Even if I were to concede that there were both political and religious factors taking a role, it's impossible to deny that it could not have possibly happened had there been no religious fervor to take advantage of in the first place.Originally posted by Wiglaf
the inquisition (which was political)
Oh really?Originally posted by Wiglaf
And how sad, even your own entry on the 30 years war says the cause was not religion.
Beginning as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics...Comment
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You're an idiot.Originally posted by Wiglaf
Are you insane? Manifest destiny was not about religion, it was about us wanting more land and a bunch of defenseless dirty savages standing in our way. Religion/destiny was used as an excuse to knock them out of the way and set up homes where they had teepees.
Read the rest of the sentence please, thanks.
Don't worry, I'm just using that as an excuse to post again.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Said the Pot to the Kettle..Originally posted by Kidicious
You're an idiot.APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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You think Americans expanded westward as part of a religious movement? Not because it was wide open terrain to be used for agriculture, trade, shipping, etc etc? Amazing!Originally posted by Kidicious
You're an idiot.
Don't worry, I'm just using that as an excuse to post again.
They invoked god, sure, but who doesn't invoke god before they do something awesome? Even basketball teams do this before some important games.Comment
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It's both of course. They wanted all that for God. Do you even know any Christians?Originally posted by Wiglaf
You think Americans expanded westward because of Christianity? Not because it was wide open terrain to be used for agriculture, trade, shipping, etc etc? Amazing!
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Dun' God already got everything? I mean what's the point of getting God somefin' he already has?APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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They thought they were teh Chosen People you idiot.Originally posted by Perfection
Dun' God already got everything? I mean what's the point of getting God somefin' he already has?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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They thought theys were joos?APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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Perfy don't when Perfy makes Perfy posts.Originally posted by Wiglaf
They invoked god, sure, but who doesn't invoke god before they do something awesome?APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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I think this goes for most of the major religions. When something's small, it's usually easier for it to escape the influence of power/politics/strategy etc. Something like the Guyana cult and the Branch Davidians might fall into that category.Originally posted by Wiglaf
Unplug your blank stare from my ass. The simple reality is that Christianity was not the driving force behind the violence of the inquisitions, the Serbian bull****, the colonization of America, the reformations, the IRA, the Rwandan genocide etc etc. These were political/strategic conflicts and had nothing to do with religion, get yourself a fact checker.
Once something's big enough to be "inside the system", so to speak, you'd be hard pressed to find some action taken that was entirely free from political considerations.
Even the Crusades could be seen as a primarily cynical political measure, meant to unite fractious warring European kingdoms (some of which might not have been particularly fervent Christian kingdoms to boot) against an outsider with a convenient differentiating factor."lol internet" ~ AAHZComment
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Also, the "unplug your blank stare from my ass" is possibly the most memorable debating line I've heard in a while. I'm frankly surprised that Cheney hasn't used it at least once in Congress yet.
"lol internet" ~ AAHZComment
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Originally posted by Perfection
They thought theys were joos?
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I don't think anyone was saying that religion is free from political consideration except for Wiggy.Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
Once something's big enough to be "inside the system", so to speak, you'd be hard pressed to find some action taken that was entirely free from political considerations.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Jim Jones' mass suicide was not caused by any religion. Jonestown was about communism, drugs, repressed homosexuality/homophobia, racism and, of course insanity, not religion. Similarly you can't blame manifest destiny on Christianity with a straight face. There is a relationship between Christianity and those conflicts but it isn't entirely causal.Last edited by Wiglaf; February 10, 2008, 03:48.Comment
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