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The funny thing is that on Iranian star charts the moon appears to be where Tel Aviv is on ours. One wonders what exactly they plan to put in that moon probe they're planning.
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The funny thing is that on Iranian star charts the moon appears to be where Tel Aviv is on ours. One wonders what exactly they plan to put in that moon probe they're planning.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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If a moslem is on the exact opposite point on the earth from Mecca, which way does he pray? I suppose he could use one of those office chairs that spins around and pray in all directions equally...
Perplexing problem.Long time member @ Apolyton
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They just have to use their best estimation which means that's the one place they don't have to even think about it. The question I'd have is the amount of work a muslim in low earth orbit would be expected to put into making their best estimation. I bet Tehran would send a prayer itinerary specifying appropriate position within the cabin for each moment in orbit.Originally posted by Lancer
If a moslem is on the exact opposite point on the earth from Mecca, which way does he pray? I suppose he could use one of those office chairs that spins around and pray in all directions equally...
Perplexing problem.
Mars would be an interesting situation too. if earth is directly over head or directly below you would it matter which way you face? If islam goes space faring I'll bet they'll eventually decide the rules only apply when on the earths surface.Comment
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There were plenty of people saying it shouldn't be allowed, and as a matter of fact, it is illegal to deny the existence of the holocaust in some Western Countries. Many Muslims feel the same way about depicting Mohammed as many Westerners feel about denying the holocaust.Originally posted by Arrian
People saying their stupid denial conference shouldn't *be allowed* were being hypocrits. I don't recall hearing that, though. I recall hearing criticism of the conference - people pointing out that it was a farce.
Moreover, the Western attitude to free speech is a bit of a joke. People who say unpopular things are persecuted by corporate and other interests, and that is somehow "OK". Americans are particularly fond of this crap, which is what makes me laugh when they have a go at other countries about free speech. While US laws give you better free speech rights in theory, the US public is grossly intolerant of those who say unpopular things.
But Ahmadinejad's point was simply one about politeness. The Mohammed cartoons were extremely rude and were intended to be emotionally provocative, rather than to contribute anything meaningful to a discussion about Islam and terrorism. The holocaust conference was similarly provocative. It illustrated quite well our hypocrisy. It's OK for us to be rude, inconsiderate ******, but not if someone else does it. Frankly, having visited the US, this seems to be the rule for everyday life there. I've never met such awful people.
We whine about them being rude, whilst the US entertainment industry (which has strong links to the Israel lobby) pumps out endless terror pornography which portrays Muslims as violent killers.
The fundamental principle of ethics is that we adopt the same rules for ourselves as we do for other people. It really is that simple. We don't, and the others know it.Only feebs vote.Comment
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How odd. Doesn't it seem silly to you to equate public disapproval with legal penalties? Censure, after all, is not the same as prison time, and laws are not designed to effect public censure.Originally posted by Agathon
Moreover, the Western attitude to free speech is a bit of a joke. People who say unpopular things are persecuted by corporate and other interests, and that is somehow "OK". Americans are particularly fond of this crap, which is what makes me laugh when they have a go at other countries about free speech. While US laws give you better free speech rights in theory, the US public is grossly intolerant of those who say unpopular things.
You seem to be saying "Americans dislike people who say unpopular things, therefore they are hypocrites for saying that speech should not be punishable by legal sanction if it is intolerant." That's a bogus argument.Lime roots and treachery!
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As are many of his arguments.
The response to the cartoons were calls for legal action, and violence, as well as mere verbal condemnation.
The response to the conference was, as far as I know, entirely peaceful for one thing and overwhelmingly in the category of "calling it a farce" not trying to prevent if from happening.
I followed it at the time. It's possible, however, that my memory is faulty. Got any links to back up the claim that "There were plenty of people saying it shouldn't be allowed" ?
The point about Holocaust denial being illegal in certain countries is a valid one, I'll grant. Of course, my own country has no such law. Will people take **** for denying something that obviously happened? Yeah. Boo ****ing hoo.
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You can say anything anti-moslem that you want though cant you. I can't believe all the crap people here say to me.Originally posted by Arrian
The point about Holocaust denial being illegal in certain countries is a valid one, I'll grant. Of course, my own country has no such law. Will people take **** for denying something that obviously happened? Yeah. Boo ****ing hoo.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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People tend to get dumped on for being racist *******s, too, though. At least around here. I can't speak for Oklahoma or wherever it is you're at now.
I agree that the cartoons were in poor taste. The appropriate response would've been do draw nasty cartoons about Christ (wtf did the Jews have to do with the Danish cartoons, anyway?). edit: if Denmark is one of the nations in which it is illegal to deny the Holocaust, nevermind, I get it.
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Oklahoma isn't an island. It's part of the US. People come and go here from other states you know?Originally posted by Arrian
People tend to get dumped on for being racist *******s, too, though. At least around here. I can't speak for Oklahoma or wherever it is you're at now.
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Damnable Jews! Controlling everything! I bet they even have control over the banks as well, Agathon.Originally posted by Agathon
We whine about them being rude, whilst the US entertainment industry (which has strong links to the Israel lobby) pumps out endless terror pornography which portrays Muslims as violent killers.
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Um, I was simply saying that up here in CT, that sort of thing would be (at the least) frowned upon. More, probably.Originally posted by Kidicious
Oklahoma isn't an island. It's part of the US. People come and go here from other states you know?
CT isn't an island either. But I don't live in OK, and in fact have never even visited, so I wasn't going to speak for things there - you can, since you're there.
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You've got us there. I can't even imagine you saying something rude. Your unflagging politeness and civility shames me as an American.Originally posted by Agathon
But Ahmadinejad's point was simply one about politeness. The Mohammed cartoons were extremely rude and were intended to be emotionally provocative, rather than to contribute anything meaningful to a discussion about Islam and terrorism. The holocaust conference was similarly provocative. It illustrated quite well our hypocrisy. It's OK for us to be rude, inconsiderate ******, but not if someone else does it. Frankly, having visited the US, this seems to be the rule for everyday life there. I've never met such awful people.
We whine about them being rude, whilst the US entertainment industry (which has strong links to the Israel lobby) pumps out endless terror pornography which portrays Muslims as violent killers.
The fundamental principle of ethics is that we adopt the same rules for ourselves as we do for other people. It really is that simple. We don't, and the others know it.
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And of course, foreign entertainment industries never ever portray us as violent killers.Lime roots and treachery!
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