U.S. I.D. card -- Is it time?

[snoopy369]

We already have an iPass, unfortunately, so you'd need a new acronym (Illinois toll electronic payment method)

[SlowwHand]

People with no driver's license already get an i.d. card.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
... I actually saw "Not useable for Driving" stenciled across one when I was a cashier. Anyone can get them as an ID card.

Those aren't drivers' licenses. They're State I.D. cards.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
People with no driver's license already get an i.d. card.

Not a NATIONAL card....and not allegedly tamperproof...and not a proof of citizenship (or other legal status).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Those aren't drivers' licenses. They're State I.D. cards.

Which they got from what part of government?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Which they got from what part of government?

Er..uh...you saw them; I didn't. Why ask me? dum de de dum de.

[DinoDoc]

The DMV.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

communism might be mostly dead, but communist ideas are well and truly alive

Even the rationale has stayed the same

Safety First!

especially from internal enemy, that one is really dangerous, and to make it worse it's usually your strange neighbor staying up late, behaving unusually and who has non-patriotic tendencies.

also now "the illegal alien" later... fun fun fun.

I think it's overdue, you'd feel a lot safer with it, and as a plus in US noone would even get to know when gov drops, by accident, 300 mil ID records into the hands of someone else, like were are finding about it here in UK on a monthly basis (with various other forms of ID information)...

not only that it's time, it's long (about 50 years) overdue

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I think it's overdue, you'd feel a lot safer with it, and as a plus in US noone would even get to know when gov drops, by accident, 300 mil ID records into the hands of someone else, like were are finding about it here in UK on a monthly basis (with various other forms of ID information)...

No one would find out? What on earth gives you that idea?

http://www.news.com/Veterans-data-swiped-in-theft/2100-1029_3-6075212.html

[Pekka]

No such thing as tamper proof. This illusion is very dangerous and creates a dysfunction that in itself is a security risk possibly much greater than the status quo.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So? The feds like using teh Highway fund as a club. Just have them use that to push a common set of standards.

You're aware of that funny document we have called the Constitution, right? With that silly phrase in there somewhere requiring states to accept other states' drivers licenses etc. (or at least as interpreted in the courts, they obviously didn't drive when this was approved)...

I (separately) highly doubt that a federal drivers license would be constitutional - or at least, that one that mandatorily replaces state licenses. I'm not sure how the highway fund would affect this, or the first point (the state DL with federal standards) - if the feds are allowed to bribe states to do things they are constitutionally barred from enforcing otherwise - but I think this would be unconstitutional. Either way, full faith and credit implies the states get to set their own standard...

A National ID in general would be interesting if challenged (by the ACLU presumably). I suspect they'd have significant qualms about it, if it's required for things that normally the states are permitted to control (ie, jobs, airline travel, etc.) This is traditionally the realm of the states, and they have some constitutional basis behind this. I certainly don't support this infringement on the right of the states...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
No one would find out? What on earth gives you that idea?

http://www.news.com/Veterans-data-sw...3-6075212.html

you are getting sloppy like we here

[Patroklos]

No such thing as tamper proof. This illusion is very dangerous and creates a dysfunction that in itself is a security risk possibly much greater than the status quo.

Good luck making a forgery of my military CAC card. If someone thinks so highly of my identity they are willing to spend a few dozen million pulling it off, they deserve my identity.

National ID cards with the full assortment of biometrics make sense. Hell we can still have states issue them using universal standards. Same card, different graphics like the quarters.

All credit cards should have the same tamper proof biometics as well.

[Krill]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
You can't flip to a civ that's been eliminated.

Colonies

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by snoopy369
- if the feds are allowed to bribe states to do things they are constitutionally barred from enforcing otherwise -

South Dakota v. Dole seems to argue in my favor if I'm reading the case right.