Phear the mighty German Navy!

[Patroklos]

Universities. Real education.

Where do you think officers go for their degrees?

[Igloodude]

Originally posted by Asher
Universities. Real education.

Ah, okay. Well, US naval officers are pretty much all in possession of a bachelor's degree. For example, mine is a bachelor of science in political science from USNA.

As a practical matter though, shiphandling has very little to do with one's college major, with perhaps the exception of Naval Architecture or the like.

[Patroklos]

As a practical matter though, shiphandling has very little to do with one's college

I point this out to SWOs all the time, I think it is why they are so depressed when its time for them to leave

Though I have seen many an engineering savy SWO make tripple diggits right out, without a technical degree. Experiance is in high demand

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos

Experiance is in high demand

Sure because everyone needs people to operate their aircraft carriers in the real world.

[Patroklos]

Sure because everyone needs people to operate their aircraft carriers in the real world.

This might surprise you, but 95 percent of the components on aircraft carriers are shockingly similar to the civilian equipment that does the exact same thing.

Not to mention most of the actual jobs have civilian mirrors.

Now if you happen to work on that 5% or so, then yeah, tough break. Though mechanical/managerial aptitude still translates.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


This might surprise you, but 95 percent of the components on aircraft carriers are shockingly similar to the civilian equipment that does the exact same thing

Now if you happen to work on that 5% or so, then yeah, tough break. Though mechanical/managerial aptitude still translates.

Not similar enough. Just about everyone who gets out of the Navy needs retraining.

[Patroklos]

Not similar enough. Just about everyone who gets out of the Navy needs retraining.

So? What job doesn't?

[Dinner]

German Aircraft Carriers sink by themselves.

Model of Graf Zepplin:

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/h/hitler-chamberlain.jpg

Divers find Hitler's aircraft carrier
By Roger Boyes
The location of the wreck of the Graf Zeppelin had been a mystery for more than half a century


POLISH divers have discovered the rusting wreckage of Nazi Germany’s only aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, solving one of the most enduring maritime riddles of the Second World War.

For more than half a century the location of the huge vessel was kept secret by the Soviet authorities. Even the opening of the Moscow archives in the 1990s failed to produce a precise bearing. The once-proud ship was simply one of dozens of wrecks that littered the bed of the Baltic Sea near the Bay of Gdansk.

“We were carrying out soundings for possible oil exploration,” Krzysztof Grabowski, of the Petrobaltic exploration group, said. “Then we stumbled across a vessel that was over 260 metres (850ft) long at a depth of 250 metres.”

Divers confirmed this week that it was the German ship, though who owns her and what — if anything — will happen to her remains unclear.

When the Graf Zeppelin was launched in 1938, Adolf Hitler raised his right arm in salute to a warship that was supposed to help Germany to become master of the northern seas. But, when fleeing German troops scuttled her in April 1945, she had never seen service — a casualty of infighting within the Nazi elite and the changing tide of war.

The Graf Zeppelin was scuttled in shallow water near Szczecin and it proved easy for the Red Army to recover her after marching into the Polish port. According to an agreement with the Allies, German and Japanese warships should have been sunk in deep water or destroyed. The Russians repaired the ship, then used her to carry looted factory equipment back to the Soviet Union. In August 1947 Allied spies observed her being towed back to the Polish Baltic coast and then used for target practice at Leba by Soviet dive bombers. It appeared that the Russians were preparing for possible action against US aircraft carriers.

The Graf Zeppelin sank a second time, and remained undetected until now.

Lukasz Orlicki, a Polish maritime historian, said: “It is difficult to say why the Russians have always been so stubbornly reluctant to talk about the location of the wreck. Perhaps it was the usual obsession with secrecy, or perhaps there was some kind of suspect cargo.”

At 262 metres, the Graf Zeppelin was comparable to the biggest of the US carriers that played such a significant role in the Pacific. She had a range of 8,000 nautical miles, meaning that she could easily have reached the North Sea.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2287104,00.html

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


So? What job doesn't?

That's actually a good point. Also, officers have their degrees when they get out.

When I got out there was nothing for me, because the only company that might have hired me at the time was laying people off, but then I was going to college anyway.

[Patroklos]

When I got out there was nothing for me, because the only company that might have hired me at the time was laying people off, but then I was going to college anyway.

You seem rather bitter about your service, what did you do in the Navy?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Where do you think officers go for their degrees?

Universities. I thought that was clear from what I said.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Patroklos
And the most important education/experiance I will make bank off of on the outside is I have been the manager of dozens of people at a time since I was 22. That doesn't happen in the civilian world.

I'm only 24 and I'm managing half a dozen people...

Then again, I'm not managing cadets or ensigns, I'm managing people with university degrees and people who are older than me at that.

[LordShiva]

Drunk-driving

[Patroklos]

Universities. I thought that was clear from what I said.

Then what is your beef? I assume you got your degree at a similar institution.

I'm only 24 and I'm managing half a dozen people...

A mear half dozen? Bah!

I am not saying you are not successful also Asher. It is, however, not routine for civilians to become supervisors early in a career.

Then again, I'm not managing cadets or ensigns, I'm managing people with university degrees and people who are older than me at that.

Ensigns have university degrees, cadets are not at active commands (they observe in the summer time sometimes, think of them as interns ). Everyone in my department is older than me.

In fact, everyone at my command, staff wise, is older than me, it makes things odd

[Asher]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Then what is your beef? I assume you got your degree at a similar institution.

I don't believe all degrees are created equal. What was yours, English?

A mear half dozen? Bah!

I am not saying you are not successful also Asher. It is, however, not routine for civilians to become supervisors early in a career.

Well, it depends what you want. Virtually any person with a degree can be some kind of supervisor at a McDonalds, grocery store, etc...