935 Lies

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I've never read a word about Eisenhower, LBJ or Nixon poking the help on the job.

You should get out more.


I didn't include Nixon as a staff schtupper- your mistake.

L.B.J. had the help on his desk- in the Oval Office, no less. Power is such an aphrodisiac apparently.

As for Saint Ike of the Golf Course- Kay Summersby wrote a book recounting their intimate relationship.

[Elok]

Originally posted by dannubis
well, the rest of the world was pretty sure...

Only if you exclude me from "the rest of the world." Not that it matters, since I wasn't in a position of power, but I was pretty sure from the get-go that Hussein posed no real threat. Why would a secular dictator whose chief motive is to stay in power spend money to make superweapons and then entrust them to a bunch of nutjob terrorists whose loyalty is not to him and who will take the things underground where he can't track them, all in the hope that they will further PO an already PO'ed superpower on the other side of the world? He was a nasty character, but he didn't stay on top for all those years by being a complete moron.

It didn't matter what we thought, though, because it was plain from the start that he had his heart set on invasion for whatever fool reason, and Congress certainly didn't have the balls to stop him. I didn't figure on his being so stubborn; I thought we'd go in, ruin the country, then leave the Iraqis holding the bag after a year of "peacekeeping" so we could bomb something else...you can tell I wasn't alive during Vietnam, can't you? It's a terrible thing when a man comes to believe his own lies.

[molly bloom]

"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.

If this were true, it wouldn't say much for either their judgment or collective intelligence quotients.


I'm reading Bob Woodward's 'State of Denial II' which is quite an eye-opener on the unjoined-up thinking in the Bush administration in the runup to the war with Iraq.

[DanS]

The headline doesn't match the contents of the article, I'm afraid. It doesn't support an argument in good faith -- it's rather insulting, to be honest.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
The fact remains, Hussein had to go. After he went, we needed to go, also.

Is this supposed to be some sort of justification for the government deliberately lying to promote a war?

The ends do not justify these means.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Zkribbler

That's right. I remember the French, Germans, Russians, Chinese, U.N., etcetera gnashing their teeth with their desire to go to war in Iraq along with us.

That's b/c they're commies or wannabe commies who don't have the U.S. administrations best interests at heart. Go figure.

[Theben]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm not really sure that the Iraq has WMD memo was a lie perpetuated by the Bush admin at least given the fact it preceded thier time in office. You can hang it on the incompetents at the CIA though probably the Church Committee and the limits it placed on the use of human intelligence as well.

IIRC the CIA was prompted by the State Dept to find something to justify action against Iraq.

[Sirotnikov]

935 threads copied from CFC

[Perfection]

At least CFC threads have content

[Sirotnikov]

true

[Japher]

made-up content... at least here, we're all real

[Perfection]

real stupid

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Perfection
At least CFC threads have content

Lies!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Theben
IIRC the CIA was prompted by the State Dept to find something to justify action against Iraq.

Before the Bush admin took office?

[Japher]

Originally posted by Perfection
real stupid

Thanks for helping maintain the status quo