Lakota secedes from US

[PLATO]

Hmmmm...

[PLATO]

Apparently this is not an official thing afterall:

Where should a story like this be played in the Journal? That’s what we asked ourselves after Native American activist Russell Means and his Lakota Sioux group declared Thursday the Lakota Sioux land was a sovereign nation and they were withdrawing from all treaties from the U.S. government.

The debate was compelling in the afternoon meeting.

On the one hand, this was going to be one of the biggest ‘talkers’ of the day, and had already had 121 comments since being posted early afternoon. The LNI is in town. Russell Means is a prominent figure in the Native American community. The treaties and sovereignty are key issues in Indian Country.

On the other hand, there were no tribal presidents in the group which made the announcement, no one from the top ranks of any of the Lakota Sioux tribes. The timing with the LNI was curious. Russell Means has been known to stage public events to get his message out, and there are some Lakotas who don’t feel Means speaks for them.

And so we determined the story would not go on A1, unless we could confirm support of this group’s decision by any of the top officials from any of the Lakota tribes. Otherwise, this may amount to nothing more than talk.

http://rapidcityjournal.com/blogs/editor/?p=339

[SlowwHand]

Favorite Staff Quotes:
People are screeming for consistency, but it ain't gonna happen from me. -rah
God... I have to agree with Asher -Ming
Troll on dope is like a moose on the loose - Grandpa Troll


Those are good.

I also like the one about, whatever it is, rah being the mother of a daughter now, or something.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Favorite Staff Quotes:
People are screeming for consistency, but it ain't gonna happen from me. -rah
God... I have to agree with Asher -Ming
Troll on dope is like a moose on the loose - Grandpa Troll


Those are good.

I also like the one about, whatever it is, rah being the mother of a daughter now, or something.

Many thanks to the staff for their contributions!

[SlowwHand]

Russell Means, he's a lying heathen. We should have hung him long ago.


Waaaait a minute. Where's my Dead Pool list?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Dis
I didn't think they had to abide by federal law. I thought they were essentually their own country. Like that huge reservation in Arizona. They even use a different time zone than Arizona. As Arizona doesn't using daylight savings time, but the indian reservation does.

Of course they have to abide by federal law. They aren't their own country. If they were, they'd be different colors on all your maps and have leaders and such . They are subject to all federal laws and some state laws as well (licensing, marriage, etc).

It would be interesting if they did. Now if the time to do it. In our kindler, gentler society, would we put up with the goverment using force on poor defenseless indians? I don't think we would put up with it (I wouldn't).

Of course we would. I'd want the military to kick their ass and I bet a vast majority would support that too.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Of course they have to abide by federal law. They aren't their own country. If they were, they'd be different colors on all your maps and have leaders and such . They are subject to all federal laws and some state laws as well (licensing, marriage, etc).

They are subject to Federal Law by virtue of the 1825 Teton Treaty.

TREATY WITH THE SIOUNE
AND OGLALA TRIBES
July 12, 1825
Proclamation, Feb. 6, 1826
7 Stat., p. 252.


For the purpose of perpetuating the friendship which has heretofore existed, as also to remove all future cause of discussion or dissension, as it respects trade and friendship between the United States and their citizens, and the Sioune and Ogallala bands of the Sioux tribe of Indians, the President of the United States of America, by Brigadier-General Henry Atkinson, of the United States Army, and Major Benjamin O'Fallon, Indian Agent, with full powers and authority, specially appointed and commissioned for that purpose, of the one part, and the undersigned Chiefs, Head-men, and Warriors, of the said Sioune and Ogallala bands of Sioux Indians, on behalf of their bands, of the other part, have made and entered into the following articles and conditions, which, when ratified by the President of the United States, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate shall be binding on both parties,to wit:


ARTICLE 1.

It is admitted by the Sioune and Ogallala bands of Sioux Indians, that they reside within the territorial limits of the United States, acknowledge their supremacy, and claim their protection. The said bands also admit the right of the United States to regulate all trade and intercourse with them.


ARTICLE 2.

The United States agree to receive the Sioune and Ogallala bands of Sioux into their friendship, and under their protection, and to extend to them, from time to time, such benefits and acts of kindness as may be convenient, and seem just and proper to the President of the United States.


ARTICLE 3.

All trade and intercourse with the Sioune and Ogallala bands shall be transacted at such place or places as may be designated and pointed out by the President of the United States, through his agents; and none but American citizens, duly authorized by the United States, shall be admitted to trade or hold intercourse with said bands of Indians.


ARTICLE 4.

That the Sioune and Ogallala bands may be accommodated With such articles of merchandise, &c, as their necessities may demand, the United States agree to admit and license traders to hold intercourse with said bands, under mild and equitable regulations: in consideration of which, the Sioune and Ogallala bands bind themselves to extend protection to the persons and the property of the traders, and the persons legally employed under them, whilst they remain within the limits of their particular district of country. And the said Sioune and Ogallala bands further agree, that if any foreigner or other persons, not legally authorized by the United States, shall come into their district of country, for the purposes of trade or other views, they will apprehend such person or persons, and deliver him or them to some United States superintendent, or agent of Indian affairs, or to the commandant of the nearest military post, to be dealt with according to law.And they further agree to give safe conduct to all persons who may be legally authorized by the United States to pass through their country; and to protect, in their persons and property, all agents or other persons sent by the United States to reside temporarily among them; nor will they, whilst on their distant excursions, molest or interrupt any American citizen or citizens who may be passing from the United States to New Mexico or returning from thence to the United States.


ARTICLE 5.

That the friendship, which is now established between the United States and the Sioune and Ogallala bands should not be interrupted by the misconduct of individuals, it is hereby agreed, that for injuries done by individuals, no private revenge or retaliation shall take place, but instead thereof, complaints shall be made, by the injured party, to the superintendent or agent of Indian affairs, or other person appointed by the President; and it shall be the duty of said Chiefs, upon complaint being made as aforesaid, to deliver up the person or persons, against whom the complaint is made, to the end that he or they may be punished agreeably to the laws of the United States. And, in like manner, if any robbery, violence or murder, shall be committed on any Indian or Indians belonging to the said bands, the person or persons so offending shall be tried, and if found guilty shall be punished in like manner as if the injury had been done to a white man. And it is agreed, that the chiefs of said Sioune and Ogallala bands shall, to the utmost of their power, exert themselves to recover horses or other property, which may be stolen or taken from any citizen or citizens of the United States, by any individual or individuals of said bands; and the property so recovered shall be forthwith delivered to the agents or other person authorized to receive it, that it may be restored to the proper owner. And the United States hereby guaranty to any Indian or Indians of said bands, a full indemnification for any horses or other property which may be stolen from them by any of their citizens: Provided, The property stolen cannot be recovered, and that sufficient proof is produced that it was actually stolen by a citizen of the United States. And the said Sioune and Ogallala bands engage, on the requisition or demand of the President of the United States, or of the agents, to deliver up any white man resident among them.


ARTICLE 6.

And the Chiefs and Warriors, as aforesaid, promise and engage, that their bands will never, by sale, exchange, or as presents, supply any nation, tribe, or band of Indians, not in amity with the United States, with guns, ammunition, or other implements of war. Done at the mouth of the Teton river, this 5th day of July, A. D. 1825, and of the independence of the United States the fiftieth.

In testimony whereof, the said commissioners, Henry Atkinson and Benjamin O'Fallon, and the chiefs, head men, and warriors, of the Sioune and Ogallala bands, have hereunto set their hands, and affixed their seals.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Lancer
I'm 1/16th Casino

I have a great grandma Casino, so I guess that makes me twice as much Casino than you ...

[Geronimo]

somewhat one-sided as treaties go eh?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Geronimo
somewhat one-sided as treaties go eh?

Well, when you are the losing side, faced with signing or just being overrun... they tend to be that way.

[PLATO]

Yep...to the victor go the spoils.

[Dinner]

But the losers will eventually get casinos and discount outlet malls.

[DinoDoc]

We know what to do with rebellious injuns.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Annex their lands. As any Civ player knows, no treaty = war

Barbarians

Bush can't afford any more negative diplo penalties on him. Another "you attacked our friend!" and every non-christian nation will be at war with the U.S., and maybe a couple o' dem too.