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    In a 'Huh? Can they do that?' type of moment:



    WASHINGTON (AFP) — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

    "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

    A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

    They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

    Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

    The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

    The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

    The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

    Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

    "This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

    "It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

    The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

    Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

    One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

    "We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

    The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

    Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

    Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

    "Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

    "We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.
    "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion

  • #2
    Indian givers!

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    • #3
      Wow. A real live insurrection?

      I read an article on aboriginals worldwide (including US) a day or two ago. I'll go find it...
      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Tase them all!
        Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin
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        • #5
          So wait wait just a damn minute here so even AAHZ can understand...

          where is this new country going to be?
          The Wizard of AAHZ

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          • #6
            Out west bordering on Canada from the looks of it.
            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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            • #7
              Where the hell shall we find place for all those refugees when the squatters are evicted ?
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #8
                Indians
                THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                • #9
                  its not clear these guys actually represent the elected tribal leadership.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.†Martin Buber

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                  • #10
                    I'm part Lakota. You white eyes usually call us "Sioux," which is the Piute word for "enemy."

                    The Lakota are generally located in the Dakotas. Hey, those are Red States. Okay, let 'em secedes.

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                    • #11
                      The news bit was for Cdn consumption so forgive the focus but stats for four countries are included.

                      Canadian aboriginals may lag behind the rest of the country in health, income and education, but new research suggests they're doing better than their counterparts in some other countries.

                      In a study that adapts the United Nations Human Development Index to look at aboriginals in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand, it's the Canucks and Kiwis who come out on top with the land Down Under sinking further.

                      "It's been slow, and important differences remain, but there's been progress," said Martin Cooke, a sociologist at the University of Waterloo, whose paper was published Wednesday in the online journal International Health and Human Rights.

                      Every year, the United Nations ranks countries around the world using the Human Development Index, a measure that compares life expectancy, literacy, education and standard of living. The index typically ranks Canada near the top.

                      But after hearing comments from aboriginal leaders that Canada's high ranking ignored the plight of their communities, Cooke and his fellow researchers decided to use the index to get a rough idea of how the gap between aboriginals and non-aboriginals has changed between 1990 and 2001 - and how Canada compares internationally.

                      They found that not only did Canadian aboriginals score the highest of the four countries studied, they were virtually tied with New Zealand for making the most progress in catching up to the mainstream during the study period. Australia, where the index scores for aboriginals actually dropped, fared the worst.

                      Canadian aboriginals, on average, scored about the same on the index in 2001 as Chile or Cuba. Australian aboriginals ranked on the same level as El Salvador or Egypt.

                      The U.S. ranked second on overall development, but third after New Zealand on closing the gap.

                      Canada also had the highest aboriginal life expectancy at 72.9 years in 2001. The gap between aboriginals and the mainstream was 1.5 years less than in 1990.

                      In Australia, life expectancy remained static at 59.6 years and the gap actually widened by 2.6 years. The American figure was 70.6 years in 2001 and the gap narrowed by .8 years.

                      The U.S. did the best job in narrowing the education gap, with Canada close behind. The Australian gap widened over the decade.

                      New Zealand's Maori made the most money, with a median income of $23,000 in constant dollars in 2001. The Canadian figure was $18,700 - a figure that made only minimal progress on catching up to the mainstream median of $27,600.

                      U.S. aboriginals brought in only $16,000 but made the most progress narrowing the gap. Again, Australian aboriginals fell further behind.

                      The study doesn't take into account wide regional variations, Cooke said. It also doesn't examine issues such as retention of aboriginal languages or political self-determination.

                      "We were happy to find some of the improvements we did, but not without cautions. In Canada, gaps remain and that's important for us to remember. We can't really take improvement for granted."

                      Cooke said it would be tough to use the study to judge aboriginal policies, saying the findings are too broad to be applied to specific legislation or regulations.


                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark
                        its not clear these guys actually represent the elected tribal leadership.
                        Yeah, the article is kind of vague on that "A delegation of Lakota leaders..."

                        How they come by the title and what authority they have is not clear.
                        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zkribbler
                          I'm part Lakota. You white eyes usually call us "Sioux," which is the Piute word for "enemy."

                          The Lakota are generally located in the Dakotas. Hey, those are Red States. Okay, let 'em secedes.
                          Are you really part Lakota or is it one of these things where someone claims there 1/16 or 1/8 *insert tribe name* when it's obviously not the case.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lord of the mark
                            its not clear these guys actually represent the elected tribal leadership.
                            It's pretty clear that it won't matter either way, though.

                            Or do you expect to see UN peacekeepers setting up shop in North Dakota? That'd be funny...
                            "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, Hyperion

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
                              Are you really part Lakota or is it one of these things where someone claims there 1/16 or 1/8 *insert tribe name* when it's obviously not the case.
                              I didn't find out until after my dad died and I was going through his papers. I knew I was 1/128 Cherokee, but I'm even more Lakota (okay, not much more).

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