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Originally posted by Ramo
Which is... Where's your evidence that the vast majority of filibusters occur in the first six months of every Congress?
Read my post about DanS.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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DanS just feels comfortable in his own little universe even if it's not complete reality.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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This thread is one big 48" pizza.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Edit: On second thought, this doesn't require an explanation. How about you tell me how many cloture votes have happened since July 18.Originally posted by Ramo
Which is... Where's your evidence that the vast majority of filibusters occur in the first six months of every Congress?Last edited by DanS; December 14, 2007, 12:19.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The distribution of cloture votes is uneven.
An individual Congress might be sharply nonuniform, but that doesn't mean that Congresses in general are sharply nonuniform in time. There's no reason why a uniform projection is isn't a perfectly reasonable first order estimate.
Further, a cloture vote is not a filibuster. Rather, it is a procedural vote to override the threat of a filibuster.
1. In modern parlance, a threat to filibuster is a filibuster.
2. There's a bijection (or close enough to one) between cloture votes and filibusters (which, again, are equivalent to threat of filibusters). Cloture votes are measured because a filibuster isn't per se a formal operation by the Senate."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How about you tell me how many cloture votes have happened since July 18.
You realize that the Senate was out of session for a month, right? I phrased that carefully to include year one and two.
I should add that when I said there was one Republican filibuster yesterday, I goofed. There were actually two (the second one over farm subsidy reform being ~75% Republican)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How many cloture votes since July 18, Ramo?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I counted 20. If you scale that up to 6 months (from four months considering the one month recess), that's 30 votes. That's remarkably similar, actually. The disparity should be even smaller, given Thanksgiving."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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So, in it's first year, this Congress has more filibusters than both years of every other Congress going back to at least '63."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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You're going to have to find an additional 20 cloture votes for the second half of the year to have an even distribution.
Why don't you just admit that the projection on the graphic is rubbish?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Why? It's an estimate. I think this exercise pretty succinctly demonstrated the point. Incidentally, 153/2 (rounded down) is 14 votes away from where we are. In the past half month, there were 5. I'm not sure exactly how many work days there still are in the session (another month discounting holidays), but if they keep up that pace, the projection is looking to be astoundingly accurate (probably within 10%)...
This is a dumb objection, anyways. To be within 18% ,at the absolute maximum (and, again, probably closer to 10%), of your guess is nothing to scoff at. It goes to show you that a uniform distribution is a pretty good guess.
The point, which can't be denied, is that the filibusters by the Senate Republicans are unprecedented by at least modern standards.Last edited by Ramo; December 14, 2007, 13:11."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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3 or 4 days.Originally posted by Ramo
I'm not sure exactly how many work days there still are in the session
You're going to have to find 15 cloture votes in the next 3 or 4 days.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Source?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I repeat: This is a dumb objection, anyways. To be within 18%, at the absolute maximum (and, again, probably closer to 10%), of your guess is nothing to scoff at. It goes to show you that a uniform distribution is a pretty good guess.
The point, which can't be denied, is that the filibusters by the Senate Republicans are unprecedented by at least modern standards."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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