Walmart is so evil satan just shakes his head in disgust

[Patroklos]

When do we get to round you up and let you build a nice commune on a deserted Pacific island?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos
When do we get to round you up and let you build a nice commune on a deserted Pacific island?

No need to round me up. Send me the ticket.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Nugog


Why?

Why do corporations have obligations beyond the bottom line? Because as individuals we all have moral obligations beyond the bottom line and corporations are made up of and run by people.

A ficticious person still has real moral obligations. You cannot escape these obligations by saying you made a promise to be a sociopath.

Some can guess how I feel about Friedman.

Originally posted by Flubber
So if you want morality to be your guide, my question again is which individual's moral code shall govern.

I suspect that if we are talking about things that 98% of all people would agree are "wrong"-- most of the big companies don't do those things anyway.

Take Chevron-- they stress safety and their policies and procedures far exceed legal requirements. The resources they expend exceeds what they can expect to recover from having fewer incidents. So no-- the bottom line isn't everything.

Most Americans have a moral compass which, providing they have sufficient facts about the situation, would get the job done.

If for example most Americans saw the lives of third world sweatshop workers firsthand, they would proboably be less willing to buy their wares. If they knew and understood Walmart destroys small buisnesses, they would again be less willing.

[DinoDoc]

I still don't understand how Wal-Mart is the bad guy here.

[Patroklos]

If they knew and understood Walmart destroys small buisnesses, they would again be less willing.

They know this, and don't care.

[Vesayen]

I don't think most walmart consumers are fully aware of the true harm the place causes.

They may be a bit aware, but they are so displeased by that that they ignore it and don't seek more information which they know would make them unhappy.

[Cort Haus]

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If we have to we will revolt. There are lots of things to do. We can regulate you, boycott you, tax you, and yes we can put you out of business.

And put thousands of workers on unemployment - and have reduced taxes so your system collapses..........

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If we have to we will revolt.

See-- More cryptic commie-nonsense. Thats as meaningful as if I say " If I have to kill you, I will kill you"

IF you approached my family with intent to harm them-- then I would kill you in defence of them. But since we live thousands of miles apart and I see no reason why you would wish harm on my family I don't see much chance I will kill you. Ditto for the revolution.

Originally posted by Kidicious


We can regulate you, boycott you, tax you, and yes we can put you out of business.

Who is your "we" and "you"? Why do you get to do the regulating, boycotting and taxing and not me?

Seriously though for a second-- I fully accept government's role and if a democratic government places regulations or taxes in place I will see it as my duty to abide by them. Although I am sure all people have limits to what they would accept before they would "revolt"

I also support and endorse any individual's right to boycott any product or service they wish and their expression rights to make any truthful statements they want

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Why do corporations have obligations beyond the bottom line? Because as individuals we all have moral obligations beyond the bottom line and corporations are made up of and run by people.

Do we?

Really?

And whose moral set should we all be obligated to?

Yours?

Umm - the Vaticans?

The guy who lives down the street?

Maybe the that of the Swiss?

Or what about the Khmer Rouge?



There is not one "single" moral code in the world. And no one nation has a united "moral compass" either.

It is denying basic human behaviour to say so.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Patroklos


They know this, and don't care.

true for most people. When the same brand stuff is cheaper at the big box (whichever one it is) many many people will shop there. The smaller shops are less efficient and generally more expensive.

But I bet if you asked a sample of Walmart shopers about the effect of Walmart on smaller shops, a vast majority would identify the impact on them... and they might care in that they will miss the quaint shop from time to time but not enough to change their spending habits.

Why again should I pay an extra 20% for the exact same product in the small shop?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Vesayen


Why do corporations have obligations beyond the bottom line? Because as individuals we all have moral obligations beyond the bottom line and corporations are made up of and run by people.

As long as you understand/accept that the moral obligations will differ greatly from person to person, I can agree with this statement.

The reality is that if you pick an action that 98% of people would say is absolutely wrong, you will not find any of the major publicly traded multinationals intentionally engaging in that action ( could be some rogue employees)..

Consider stuff that people differ on

Stem cell research
Swinger's club
Gay themed vacation
Abortion
pre-marital and extra-marital sex
Interracial adoption

There are corporations that do business that encounter all of these legal things. Where do they draw their moral guidance from?

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Flubber

Why again should I pay an extra 20% for the exact same product in the small shop?

To avoid the 20 point IQ drop that occurs when you walk through the doors of a Walmart.


As to revolts - I've already started. I haven't paid a dime in cigarette taxes in years.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Wezil


To avoid the 20 point IQ drop that occurs when you walk through the doors of a Walmart.

I generally feel like I need a shower after I leave a Walmart, and I can quite literally count the number of times I've stepped foot in one on one hand.

[Wezil]

They really do have the scummiest customers. WalMart is White Trash Central.