Christian Guy Totally Owns Mormons

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Is this true or is most of the stuff about "space gods" and "polygamous gods" made up by Mormon detractors? This is not the stuff their missionaries talk about when they go around canvassing for converts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo

There's some truth in there, and some bull****.

Mormons do believe that there are many Gods, who were once just like us and eventually progressed spiritually to the point where they create their own worlds. (It's unclear if the entire universe would be created by one God.)

There's no mention of Elohim's wife. (The explanation is that God wouldn't want to subject her to the vulgarities that he and Jesus constantly face. So she isn't mentioned.) It's possible that there would be multiple wives given the doctrinal stance on polygamy, but no mention of even one.

There's no differentiation between skin color based on the war in heaven.

Elohim and his wife were definitely not Adam and Eve.

There was no sex involved in Jesus' conception (anymore than in any Christian doctrine.)

Jesus having wives isn't doctrinal AFAIK. It's suggested by some. I've never heard the direct decent of Joseph Smith from Jesus claimed by any Mormon or writings.

The stuff about the Americas is pretty much spot on as described in the Book of Mormon.

Mormons don't expect to become polygamous Gods. But perhaps Gods. Meaning, to have spirit children of their own and to be able to progress eternally.

All the stuff on Joseph Smith seems rather biased. It's obviously nothing like the bias that Mormons have. I've never heard of him judging in the afterlife, being greater than Jesus, or any of that sort of stuff. He's viewed as a Prophet, but no greater or worse than any other Prophet. His death isn't tied to any salvation.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
According to Mormon doctrine the gods originally came from Kholdar. Didn't the gods worshipped by the Colonists in Battlestar Galactica also come from Coldar? Is Battlestar Galactica disseminating Mormon propaganda?

Is that why Starbuck is smiling when she makes her return in the last episode? Did she meet up with some Mormon missionaries?

Kobol.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Kobol.

Oh, close enough. Maybe the writers didn't want to make their mission of subversion too transparent, or maybe they wanted to avoid a lawsuit.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Aeson
It could be... you get all types as missionaries... but those missionaries didn't sound like they are taught to.

"We're representatives of Jesus Christ. We go around preaching about Jesus Christ"

They are taught to say they are representatives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, not Jesus Christ directly. Also "teaching" rather than "preaching". Just sounds like something someone unfamiliar with the missionaries would say.

Odds are they're just amateurs with a Sunday-school level of knowledge who felt like going out and distributing pamphlets, not actual missionaries trained and ordained in some way. I've been confronted by Mormons too and at no time did the conversation seem scripted.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Darius871
Odds are they're just amateurs with a Sunday-school level of knowledge who felt like going out and distributing pamphlets, not actual missionaries trained and ordained in some way. I've been confronted by Mormons too and at no time did the conversation seem scripted.

That's because LDS missionaries spend a month or two in the MTC being taught how to "naturally" introduce themselves and start a conversation.

Very unlikely that any LDS membership would impersonate missionaries (at least not to go out and teach). It's hard work, and there are always missionaries available to do it.

[Darius871]

Fair enough, I'm just saying anything is possible. It's not hard to imagine a few inarticulate wannabes going out and playing missionary, especially ones that young.

[Nikolai]

A friend of my family is adventist. She told me not long ago an interesting thing about the mormons. She got a visit by a pair of them, and invited them in. They had long talks where they first told her about mormonism and why it was superior. Then she opened her Bible and pointed out why they were wrong on the different subjects they'd preached on. They got confused and asked if they could come back in a few days, after asking their mormon priest. They never came back. A few weeks later she checked out why and was told by a friend that the normal thing the mormon church does when one of their believers get this kind of trouble: He gets sent away to another place and is forbidden to come back to the person who confused him. She never saw them again.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Nikolai
A few weeks later she checked out why and was told by a friend that the normal thing the mormon church does when one of their believers get this kind of trouble: He gets sent away to another place and is forbidden to come back to the person who confused him. She never saw them again.

LDS missionaries are encouraged to talk to anyone willing to discuss the gospel. Things they are told to stay away from are temptations... girls, parties, drinking/drugs, anger... stuff like that. It's possible they could have been warned away from arguing pointlessly with someone if it was a hostile confrontation, or if one of the Missionaries was having doubts about his beliefs he would have gone home since it's pointless serving a mission teaching something you don't really believe... but if it's just a discussion... that's what they're there for. I've had numerous theological discussions with Missionaries, and none of them have ever been warned away from me.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Darius871
Fair enough, I'm just saying anything is possible. It's not hard to imagine a few inarticulate wannabes going out and playing missionary, especially ones that young.

Missionaries most are all that young. (19-21 for guys)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Aeson


There's some truth in there, and some bull****.

Mormons do believe that there are many Gods, who were once just like us and eventually progressed spiritually to the point where they create their own worlds. (It's unclear if the entire universe would be created by one God.)

There's no mention of Elohim's wife. (The explanation is that God wouldn't want to subject her to the vulgarities that he and Jesus constantly face. So she isn't mentioned.) It's possible that there would be multiple wives given the doctrinal stance on polygamy, but no mention of even one.

There's no differentiation between skin color based on the war in heaven.

Elohim and his wife were definitely not Adam and Eve.

There was no sex involved in Jesus' conception (anymore than in any Christian doctrine.)

Jesus having wives isn't doctrinal AFAIK. It's suggested by some. I've never heard the direct decent of Joseph Smith from Jesus claimed by any Mormon or writings.

The stuff about the Americas is pretty much spot on as described in the Book of Mormon.

Mormons don't expect to become polygamous Gods. But perhaps Gods. Meaning, to have spirit children of their own and to be able to progress eternally.

All the stuff on Joseph Smith seems rather biased. It's obviously nothing like the bias that Mormons have. I've never heard of him judging in the afterlife, being greater than Jesus, or any of that sort of stuff. He's viewed as a Prophet, but no greater or worse than any other Prophet. His death isn't tied to any salvation.

never ever met a Mormon in my life (hey i am in UK ), but this stuff does sound interesting, esp the "progressing to God" part, it is an interesting shot at explaining "godliness".

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Aeson
Missionaries most are all that young. (19-21 for guys)

The kids in that video just got out of diapers.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Aeson


LDS missionaries are encouraged to talk to anyone willing to discuss the gospel. Things they are told to stay away from are temptations... girls, parties, drinking/drugs, anger... stuff like that. It's possible they could have been warned away from arguing pointlessly with someone if it was a hostile confrontation, or if one of the Missionaries was having doubts about his beliefs he would have gone home since it's pointless serving a mission teaching something you don't really believe... but if it's just a discussion... that's what they're there for. I've had numerous theological discussions with Missionaries, and none of them have ever been warned away from me.

Believe me, this woman is nothing but sweet, no confrontations here. She LOVES to discuss and learn more. Therefore she also have quite an amount of knowledge on the Bible. I myself have had much joy of discussing with her, and even though we differ greatly in some respects in our faith, she is nothing but tolerant and open. No, I think someone got afraid of loosing a diciple. She told me one of them in the end of the discussion was very near of turning down mormonism and becoming a "regular" Christian, after she proved to him(well, in her eyes of course) that the mormon church had some things all wrong.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Nikolai
No, I think someone got afraid of loosing a diciple. She told me one of them in the end of the discussion was very near of turning down mormonism and becoming a "regular" Christian

Didn't Aeson say that was one of their usual reasons for not returning? It doesn't necessarily take confrontation.

[Cartimandua]

This sounds staged to me. I've spoken with lots of Mormon missionaries and none of those interactions sounded anything like that video. Besides, who really has a camera rolling just when the missionaries happen to be biking by and they happen to stop and happen to start discussing a topic that the man happens to think he knows a lot about?

[Darius871]

The camera doesn't mean the bikers were in on staging it, only that the people they approached were.