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people in the utube thread talking about war with Iran. I would hope Bush is not this stupid. Iran would kick our asses.
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There's nothing to debate between us, we agree. It shouldn't have as big impact as it has, but it does because voters get suckered by phrases like "WEAK ON DEFENSE", "WEAK ON TERROR" et cetera when they're used against guys who have voted against overpriced military hardware from Halliburton. Voters who aren't part of the MIC need to fire the corrupt congressmen who are building up military pork if they want to see less spending and less taxes.Let's just not talk about Ike, and have you tell me with a straight face that the arms industry isn't an important segment of US industry and that it dosen't have a powerfull lobby.
I've just seen the speech on a lot of different forums (not just English-language ones, mind you), and so far it has always been brought up by the sort of person you'd except to have a long lecture about the evils of American imperialism and how the American empire is killing Iraqi babies for oil, stuff like that.Comment
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From a global standpoint the arms buissnes is one of the most profitable ones. The US is the worlds premier miltary spender and has a well developed industry.Originally posted by Patroklos
Not by a long shot.
Just look at a pie chart for global defense spendings and tell me you need an army that big just to defend you're selves. Hell you have enough nuke to destroy the planet several times over, why the need for such a large convetional force. I mean even 50% over China's spending migh still be a somewhat reasonable insurance policy.Originally posted by Patroklos
Makes no sense.
Not the economy... I meant the bribe system that works, perfectly legally might I add, through the lobbies... Instead of a democracy with several diverse parties that form coallitions to govern and are much more sensitive to public opinion.Originally posted by Patroklos
Like every other country in the world.
Now that makes very little sense.Originally posted by Patroklos
For the same reason the refuse to heed their benefators that vote them into office.
Good point. But my point is that with sufficient resources the people can be made to want anything.Originally posted by Patroklos
If that is what the electorate wants, thats exactly Congress should give them, no?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Well you see all three of those are controlled by the Illuminati.
Can't you see that the Iluminati are infact just pawns in the schemes of the archarchont of Nibiru!!
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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profitable /= "They just happen to be one of the richest industries"From a global standpoint the arms buissnes is one of the most profitable ones. The US is the worlds premier miltary spender and has a well developed industry.
And remember defense buisnesses are usually just a division, a junior one, of larger corporations.
ex. Boeing.
And as a matter of record, many a defense sector is struggling to survive. Take a look at our military shipyards, they live day to day.
This supports your orignial comment even less.Just look at a pie chart for global defense spendings and tell me you need an army that big just to defend you're selves. Hell you have enough nuke to destroy the planet several times over, why the need for such a large convetional force. I mean even 50% over China's spending migh still be a somewhat reasonable insurance policy.
Ummm yeah, and this is the fault of the defense sector how? Or relevant for the most part, actually.Not the economy... I meant the bribe system that works, perfectly legally might I add, through the lobbies... Instead of a democracy with several diverse parties that form coallitions to govern and are much more sensitive to public opinion.
If by bribes you mean give thousands of their constituents jobs, sure. If you mean direct money payments, not so much.
It makes a lot of sense. Democracy is not always pretty.Now that makes very little sense.
What can I say, deomocracy sucks?Good point. But my point is that with sufficient resources the people can be made to want anything.
Of course all those peolpe could actually be right, and you wrong. I know its not the normal polytubbie way to think about things, but there you go.
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Originally posted by Patroklos
This supports your orignial comment even less.
Are you even reading my post? 
Defense budget
as of 2005/2006 [US$ BN]
USA 553.10
China* 44.94
*China does conceal some miltary spending, but even if I was to make the assumption they can hide 100BN, 50% more would only be 210BN.
I fail to see how this is an argument against me. But we may be misunderstanding each other. Please tell me what you think my argument is.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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So? How does that support your original comment. If fact it doesn't matter what number you give, lower or higher, niether would support your statement.USA 553.10
China* 44.94"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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China's biggest military strength is sheer numbers.
They could drag out catapults and fling people at the enemy.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Well stated Sloww!
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Of course there is something wrong with that. We don't want them to influence our system. No MIC, and they have other interests.Originally posted by Patroklos
And there is nothing wrong with that. They are an industry, like any other. Made up of citizens, like any other. Who can exercise their influence, like any others. All Congress has to do is say no.
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You don't want citizens influencing the system?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Re: Re: for some reason, i'm a bit doubtful whether you do or not
It took you a full page to admit the BS I called you on in the first place.Originally posted by Heraclitus
But to get a point across you need to be colerfull and interesting. Simply put the MIC that I refer to has very little to do with Ike.
Too bad you spent a page denying it.
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They already have a suicide corps.Originally posted by SlowwHand
China's biggest military strength is sheer numbers.
They could drag out catapults and fling people at the enemy.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Yes I do. I just want them to have other interests.Originally posted by Patroklos
You don't want citizens influencing the system?
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Re: Re: Re: for some reason, i'm a bit doubtful whether you do or not
The concept of a symbol is difficult to grasp isn't it?Originally posted by Wezil
It took you a full page to admit the BS I called you on in the first place. Too bad you spent a page denying it.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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